not sure excitment and drs will be used together much this weekend.
Canadian Grand Prix 2011, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve - Race 7/19
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not sure excitment and drs will be used together much this weekend.
Oh it will. Ensuring that the overtake is complete before the final turn (wall of champions), will see some drivers take stupendous risks. I'm also expecting plenty of weaving on that back straight.
I think people still feel that DRS is a push to pass button, but it isn't. When drivers start out on identical tyres, even with DRS, overtaking is VERY difficult. Once you get a situation where one driver is on better tyres than the car in front, you see an easy overtake (Vettel does this a lot), but DRS doesn't have too much to do with this (though it does assist). Tyres are making the biggest difference this year, with DRS a distant second.
In any case, as far as racing goes, this year is by far the most exciting season I've seen so far...even if the championship is getting a bit boring because Vettel is winning so many races.
I think people still feel that DRS is a push to pass button, but it isn't. When drivers start out on identical tyres, even with DRS, overtaking is VERY difficult. Once you get a situation where one driver is on better tyres than the car in front, you see an easy overtake (Vettel does this a lot), but DRS doesn't have too much to do with this (though it does assist). Tyres are making the biggest difference this year, with DRS a distant second.
In any case, as far as racing goes, this year is by far the most exciting season I've seen so far...even if the championship is getting a bit boring because Vettel is winning so many races.
I think it depends quite a bit on the track, certainly more than you're giving it credit for.
I seem to remember the BBC team discussing it during one of the previous racers or possibly the forum.
In Istanbul we saw almost effortless passing thanks to DRS because of the shallow turn into the DRS activation zone. This allowed the chasing car to get right on top of the leading car's gearbox before they lifted the flap and it made passing far too easy.
In Spain, despite having the longest DRS zone we've seen so far, it was a much narrower advantage because of the nature of the final corner. The leading car was able to extend enough of a gap out of the corner to negate the benefits of DRS.
This was especially apparent while Hamilton was chasing down Vettel. The better downforce of the RBR allowed Vettel to carry more speed through the final corner so that by the time both cars were on the home straight and in the DRS zone, Hamilton couldn't catch up despite closing the gap for most of the rest of the lap.
I think if both DRS zones have 'easy' approaches then we're likely to see a lot of passing and possibly counter-passing, assuming the lead car gets overtaken at DRS 1 and then is able to retake position at DRS 2.
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Ah that would make more sense, haven't seen where the planned zones are yet.
The FIA has confirmed drivers can activate their Drag Reductions Systems twice per lap during the Canadian Grand Prix.
However there will only be one detection point, situated at the exit of the L’epingle hairpin. Any drivers within one second of the car in front can activate their wings in both of the following points.
The first is further up the straight leading from the hairpin, and the second is at the beginning of the pit straight at the end of the lap.
This should give the drivers a significant opportunity to overtake and pull away, as Fernando Alonso explained:
“On paper, whoever manages to pass in the first zone will then have a big advantage because they will be able to use the movable wing again on the main straight, even though they are ahead of the car they are battling”.
However there will only be one detection point, situated at the exit of the L’epingle hairpin. Any drivers within one second of the car in front can activate their wings in both of the following points.
The first is further up the straight leading from the hairpin, and the second is at the beginning of the pit straight at the end of the lap.
This should give the drivers a significant opportunity to overtake and pull away, as Fernando Alonso explained:
“On paper, whoever manages to pass in the first zone will then have a big advantage because they will be able to use the movable wing again on the main straight, even though they are ahead of the car they are battling”.
Canada preview - now or never to halt Red Bull rampage?
The Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2011 is the race in which McLaren and Ferrari must stake strong claim to Red Bull’s dominant position. Sebastian Vettel has won eight of the last nine races, and if the two legendary teams are to get back into the world championship fight they must beat the machines from Milton Keynes this weekend.
FIA Thursday press conference - Canada
Drivers - Lewis Hamilton (McLaren), Pastor Maldonado (Williams), Sergio Perez (Sauber), Vitaly Petrov (Renault), Adrian Sutil (Force India).
The Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2011 is the race in which McLaren and Ferrari must stake strong claim to Red Bull’s dominant position. Sebastian Vettel has won eight of the last nine races, and if the two legendary teams are to get back into the world championship fight they must beat the machines from Milton Keynes this weekend.
FIA Thursday press conference - Canada
Drivers - Lewis Hamilton (McLaren), Pastor Maldonado (Williams), Sergio Perez (Sauber), Vitaly Petrov (Renault), Adrian Sutil (Force India).
Oh that double zone KILLS IT! 2 detection points is the only sensible solution as nothing will happen till the last lap (if it works)
Stupid FIA and stupid ideas some times...
At least Perez and Petrov are ok to race this weekend
Stupid FIA and stupid ideas some times...
At least Perez and Petrov are ok to race this weekend
Soldato
Oh that DRS stuff is BS. If it ruins the race then I'll be super super ****ed off 
Soldato
Really looking forward to this weekend. We saw Istanbul live this year, and next year I'll be in Montreal to watch the 2012 race.
Thats probably the reason why the FIA brought the double DRS zone in.
I for one, totally approve of this. I love to see new ideas implemented, especially when they prevent predictable processions, which I hate with a passion. I also love to see the old fashioned lot get their nickers in a twist over new ideas.
For the last few years, many people have complained about processions and lack of overtaking. It got to the point where only wet races were exciting. The FIA then deliver new rules, which addressed those problems, and what do we get - complaints that there is too much overtaking.
I guess you can't please everybody.
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Hmm, mixed on the DRS, firstly yes, it is a push to pass button, but when its on a stupid part of the track it won't make a difference. Its hilarious how mixed the results have been one race it is push to pass, another its push, push, is it even on.
ANyway, its in two stupid zones I think here because, end of zone 1 its a fairly fast chicane, but a very dangerous one with a wall right there. You'll be putting a car with more speed than normal going into the corner, more breaking to do, more mistakes to make and I can see easily someone trying to get close enough in the chicane to pass in the second zone, that they just smash into the back of the guy infront going into the chicane.
IT could be fantastic though, who knows, the daftness that is letting someone overtake in zone 1, and then the following car having no answer in zone 2 is a joke. Without DRS in zone 2 the car behind would usually have the slipstream advantage, its been that way for decades, but now thats going to be wiped out?
I hoped zone 1/2 would leave a way for a couple cars to be in constant battle throughout the lap, over taking, then re-overtaking.
Think about it like Button getting Hamilton last year, if the second DRS zone was the start finish straight Hamilton would never have gotten back past, but that was fantastic to see. DRS as an advantage before and after, the whole point of DRS was helping to overtake, not helping to pull away.
I would have thought 2 zones, opposite part of the tracks would be far more interesting, fair, and promote overtaking for different cars. Some are fast down straights, some are fast through corners, a DRS zone that might favour different cars slightly could have been great to see.
ANyway, its in two stupid zones I think here because, end of zone 1 its a fairly fast chicane, but a very dangerous one with a wall right there. You'll be putting a car with more speed than normal going into the corner, more breaking to do, more mistakes to make and I can see easily someone trying to get close enough in the chicane to pass in the second zone, that they just smash into the back of the guy infront going into the chicane.
IT could be fantastic though, who knows, the daftness that is letting someone overtake in zone 1, and then the following car having no answer in zone 2 is a joke. Without DRS in zone 2 the car behind would usually have the slipstream advantage, its been that way for decades, but now thats going to be wiped out?
I hoped zone 1/2 would leave a way for a couple cars to be in constant battle throughout the lap, over taking, then re-overtaking.
Think about it like Button getting Hamilton last year, if the second DRS zone was the start finish straight Hamilton would never have gotten back past, but that was fantastic to see. DRS as an advantage before and after, the whole point of DRS was helping to overtake, not helping to pull away.
I would have thought 2 zones, opposite part of the tracks would be far more interesting, fair, and promote overtaking for different cars. Some are fast down straights, some are fast through corners, a DRS zone that might favour different cars slightly could have been great to see.
Thursday paddock pics - http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/06/10/2011-canadian-grand-prix-thursday-pictures
i think its more tires than anything.
Tyres are definitely having the biggest effect, though DRS adds a lot of spice.
I'm just glad that we have now moved away from processional racing and strategy-less races.
If RBR weren't so dominant, this would be a vintage season.
I'm just glad that we have now moved away from processional racing and strategy-less races.
If RBR weren't so dominant, this would be a vintage season.
I've enjoyed it. However it's not down to DRS.
I have been very unhappy with DRS, the DRS overtakes have not been exciting. After a DRS overtake I've felt that we've lost the opportunity to see a real battle or overtake.
A lot is down to the tyres, however it's not going to last. It's due to lack of data on how the tyres work at each race, more races we go to, the more they understand the tyres and the less we will see them play a role.