Canadian Grand Prix 2011, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve - Race 7/19

has peoples feed froze on a renault close up?

its a great add for tw steel and japan rags.

ive only just tuned in and the feed is broke :p

has anything of note happened?
 
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pingwing said:
Nope by the sounds of the chat at the start is that basically someone's been helping HRT implement it (and cosworth) so everyone will run it instead... (except virgin who have written off the season already)

Note I was on the loo when they were chatting about it and had the tv turned up in the hope id get it all
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Thats pretty much it - can't see it going this year now.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Quite how you think it takes skill to press a button and gain 75bhp to pass in a straightline is beyond me.

Alonso made an amateur mistake, nothing to do with skill to pull off a move.
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To press a button on an empty straight, while not overtaking, takes little skill. However, to press a button at the right time, to judge the speed of your own car, to judge the speed of your opponents car, to ensure that you brake early enough for the next corner and position your car correctly for the entire move takes immense skill. On that occasion, Alonso screwed up. And if Alonso (who has the reputation of being the best driver in F1) can screw up, ANYBODY can screw up. The fact that he did screw up, also tells me that there is a high level of skill required to use the KERS/DRS devices when overtaking cars.

The reason why Alonso made the mistake is because there was a degree of skill required to do what he was doing. Had there been no skill required, he would not have made a mistake.

dannyjo22 said:
Maybe red bull didn't want to use the extra fuel burn at that stage of the race when they would simply be running more stops and using clear air later to leave him for dust.
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The fact that Alonso was later lapped in that race tells me that Vettel could've gone much faster while he was following Alonso. The problem is that overtaking Alonso is not easy, unless you have a tyre advantage. Notice that when all cars have equal tyres, there are very few overtakes...even with DRS. The overtakes for example that we see Vettel doing are invariably when he has much better tyres than his opponent. When his opponent has equal tyres, even with DRS, he struggles to overtake. Bear in mind that I'm using Vettel is an example here. I could've replaced Vettel's name with almost any other driver's (except Hamilton).

DRS does assist with an overtake, but is far from a push to pass button.
 
i think we havent found a track were the drs works as it should.

it either has no effect or has to much effect.

we have yet to see it used and allow people to try to outbrake.

its either sail past or catch up too late to do anything.
 
utajoker said:
i think we havent found a track were the drs works as it should.

it either has no effect or has to much effect.

we have yet to see it used and allow people to try to outbrake.

its either sail past or catch up too late to do anything.
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I'd say China was pretty much spot on. It meant people arrived at the hairpin side by side. It helped them out, but they still had to make some sort of overtaking move, and the guy infront also had a chance to block it.
 
utajoker said:
i think we havent found a track were the drs works as it should.
it either has no effect or has to much effect.
we have yet to see it used and allow people to try to outbrake.
its either sail past or catch up too late to do anything.
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It's not surprising. I'm quite lenient on the subject because a) it's the first year using it and b) it's never going to be an exact science.

I don't think you're right on not seeing it used to enable out-braking. I think China was spot on for the DRS zone. That hairpin saw lots of side by side car action on entry.

edit: Skeeter you...........!!!111
 
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