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Cannot for the life of me decide what CPU to get

Ok guys thanks for the feedback, a lot of mixed feedback but I’ll take it all into consideration

I found a post on Reddit with a guy who had the same problem as me, and within the post I was able to find links to a creditable reviewer who actually posted results for 1440p, and honestly at 1440p the differences between the 5600X and 5900X is anywhere between 1-3fps

5600X - https://youtu.be/rTUqd0SUIgI

5900X - https://youtu.be/3pgCaOMGaNU
(Just skip forward in the videos to the game benchmarks)

Seeing these results I’m finding it hard to justify going with anything but the 5600X now.
 
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Techdeals was doing a livestream with his wife and his wife has a build for home and office with 32gb of ram and an rtx 2080. One with a 3600 and one with a 3900x, and she says that although the benchmakrks are similar, when using them everday she finds the 3600 noticeably slower and there are times that she is waiting for the 3600 to load something when the 3900x would load things instantly.

All she says that she really does is play world of warships and browse the web.

I find it odd, and only one persons perspective, but it is something to consider, and worth seeing if anyone else finds the same difference as well.
 
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bakes0310 said:
Good choice, games will never ever need more cores, just better IPC.
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In the context of choosing between a 5600X, 5800X or 5900X, how does that comment help at all?

Does the 5600X have better IPC than the other two?

When the 5000 series quad core parts come out, will you recommend them instead? If cores don't matter, than losing two won't hurt.
 
Vish Petrol said:
Techdeals was doing a livestream with his wife and his wife has a build for home and office with 32gb of ram and an rtx 2080. One with a 3600 and one with a 3900x, and she says that although the benchmakrks are similar, when using them everday she finds the 3600 noticeably slower and there are times that she is waiting for the 3600 to load something when the 3900x would load things instantly.

All she says that she really does is play world of warships and browse the web.

I find it odd, and only one persons perspective, but it is something to consider, and worth seeing if anyone else finds the same difference as well.
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I guess you would notice a difference if you’re comparing a top end and low end CPU from the same generation, but I’m coming from a 2700X which I already have no problems with in terms of everyday usage, so although the 5600X wouldn’t be as big an improvement as the 5900X, it will still be a good improvement for me.

I am making this choice strictly in gaming performance.
 
FoxEye said:
In the context of choosing between a 5600X, 5800X or 5900X, how does that comment help at all?

Does the 5600X have better IPC than the other two?

When the 5000 series quad core parts come out, will you recommend them instead? If cores don't matter, than losing two won't hurt.
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IPC is the same the only difference is the clock speed (improves game perfromace) and cores (no game performance increase - unless you watch youtube/stream ect at the same time)
If the 5000 series quad core comes out wit the same ipc and all you do is game, then sure why not?
This information is coming from Hardware Unboxed that i watched as im in the same predicement i was looking at the 5800x but have narrowed it down to a 5600x.
 
bakes0310 said:
IPC is the same the only difference is the clock speed (improves game perfromace) and cores (no game performance increase - unless you watch youtube/stream ect at the same time)
If the 5000 series quad core comes out wit the same ipc and all you do is game, then sure why not?
This information is coming from Hardware Unboxed that i watched as im in the same predicement i was looking at the 5800x but have narrowed it down to a 5600x.
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You're sure that games only need IPC, then? So a quad core is fine for gaming?

OK, what about a 5000-series dual core with the same IPC? Triple core?

I don't think you really understand if you think cores are meaningless.
 
FoxEye said:
You're sure that games only need IPC, then? So a quad core is fine for gaming?

OK, what about a 5000-series dual core with the same IPC? Triple core?

I don't think you really understand if you think cores are meaningless.
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Cores arent meaningless, just games it seems - and its not me saying this its youtube streamers who arent trying to sell me a 5950x for gaming but the 5600x. Direct quote from HU: Games dont require a certain number of cores never have and never will, they require a certain level of cpu performance. - HU quote on the 5600x review "final thoughts segment.

Maybe they are wrong and you are right, can you explain it to me please? Thats not me being arsey i appreciate everyones factual viewpoints.
 
bakes0310 said:
Cores arent meaningless, just games it seems - and its not me saying this its youtube streamers who arent trying to sell me a 5950x for gaming but the 5600x. Direct quote from HU: Games dont require a certain number of cores never have and never will, they require a certain level of cpu performance. - HU quote on the 5600x review "final thoughts segment.

Maybe they are wrong and you are right, can you explain it to me please? Thats not me being arsey i appreciate everyones factual viewpoints.
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I don't think HU would say that cores are meaningless - even for games.

You're misinterpreting their comments to mean "cores are meaningless for games" but that isn't true.

A dual core would be bloomin' useless for gaming on, even with the same IPC as the 5600X. Even without other apps running in the background.

More cores means parallel execution of more threads, simultaneously.

A single core can still run multi-threaded apps, but it can execute far fewer threads simultaneously.

Games can be (and modern games almost all are) multi-threaded. The more threads you can execute in parallel - which depends upon many, many factors - the better your game will perform.

A 5000 series quad will likely get its ass kicked by 6 and 8 core CPUs in modern games (IPC being equal) - depending on resolution and the game in question. A dual core would be almost useless for anything but browser games :p
 
@FoxEye Thanks for your reply, i rewatched the 3 videos on it, i may have took it too literally. From what HU have said then, cores do matter to a point so a 5600x will play games very well for a few years and with the money saved from buying a 5800x/5900x you can put it towards a zen4 equivelent chip and have better performance than the higher zen 3 chips.
 
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@FoxEye Thanks for your reply, i rewatched the 3 videos on it, i may have took it too literally. From what HU have said then, cores do matter to a point so a 5600x will play games very well for a few years and with the money saved from buying a 5800x/5900x you can put it towards a zen4 equivelent chip and have better performance than the higher zen 3 chips.
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Right now the 5800X is a poor buy due solely to its pricing. I'd argue the 5600X is also too expensive but that's more controversial and many will disagree with me.

However most of us will agree the 5800X is too expensive, relative to both the 5900X and the 5600X.

It's a real shame. At £350 the 5800X would have been a great buy. But that is fantasy land and the pricing we have is the pricing we have. The 5800X is hard to make a case for atm.
 
5600X sounds like it will handle anything you are expected to throw at it.
I was going to get a 5600X but at the time it was too close in price to the 5800X I could find. I also have a habit of "just going for the next one up" and so that's why I have what I have.
 
So it's really between
FoxEye said:
Right now the 5800X is a poor buy due solely to its pricing. I'd argue the 5600X is also too expensive but that's more controversial and many will disagree with me.

However most of us will agree the 5800X is too expensive, relative to both the 5900X and the 5600X.

It's a real shame. At £350 the 5800X would have been a great buy. But that is fantasy land and the pricing we have is the pricing we have. The 5800X is hard to make a case for atm.
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so its either a 5600x or a 5900x. im sort of thinking its been a crap year, would i actually regret getting a 5900x for a pure gaming build that i plan on keeping for 5+ years.
 
Why the worry about being GPU bound? Faster GPUs come out every 2 years. Upgrade your GPU in 2024 and you won't be very GPU bound at all.

If you build a system that has no bottleneck at all, there's no room for a future GPU upgrade.
 
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I was/am in the same dilemma... Except I'm coming from an ancient but good cpu 2700k so anything will be an upgrade. But like the one poster said above, a woman noticed things load quicker with a 12 core system.

I started piece-mealing my parts for a new system a month ago and I always seem to miss out on the 5900x (I wasn't even sure I wanted to spend that much) and then I had a shot at a 5600x a few days ago but decided I want more cores. And like others have said the 8core parts just don't make sense perf/cost.

So... I actually saw a good deal on a new 3900xt so pulled the trigger. I figure I miss out on what 15%fps in games compared to the new ryzen but save some money and I decided I definitely wanted a 12 core cpu. I do so much multi tasking my current cpu can't handle it I want a system that doesn't hang/stutter with my 100+chrome tabs open and various programs running in the background
Plus Im tired of checking all the websites for a 5900x and seeing them way above msrp or oos.
 
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Alright guys, I bit the bullet and made a purchase this morning, I bought the 5600X

Few deciding factors for me was :
  • Playing at 1440p I haven't seen enough evidence to justify the price/performance difference from a 5600X to a 58 or even 5900X, we're talking over £200 between the 56 and 5900X for a 5fps (give or take) increase, 10 fps at the very most on certain games.
  • My monitor is 165hz and honestly unless I had a fps counter on, I would hardly know if a game was running at 100 or 165 fps/hz, so yeah as long as my games run at 100-120fps which they easily will with a 5600X/3080 then I'm happy, hitting my monitors refresh rate consistently is just a bonus (ofcourse I'm excluding a few of the big hitters like RDR2, CP etc)
  • I really don't use my PC for much other than gaming/browsing, I was streaming for roughly a year or so but I quit that about 6 months ago, so I really can't see me needing anything more than 6C/12T right now, if my needs change then I'll just upgrade but I don't think they will anytime soon.
  • I am already very happy with everyday/ non-game related performance of my 2700X, it's really not an issue for me the only issue is I know I'm getting bottlenecked pretty hard in some games, the 5600X will make great improvements to both of those departments.
  • I am being made redundant in 2-3 months so I need to be a little smarter with my money right now (ironic I know, as I'm sitting here spending more money on hardware lol but you guys understand I'm sure... My missus not so much :p). I am still looking to buy a PS5, so by not buying a 5900X ans saving £200~250 and after I re-sell my 2700X I will pretty much have 80% of the money for it straight away.
Thanks for the comments and debates you were all having, it really helped me decide and think a lot more into what I actually need :D
 
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3lackMamba said:
Alright guys, I bit the bullet and made a purchase this morning, I bought the 5600X

Few deciding factors for me was :
  • Playing at 1440p I haven't seen enough evidence to justify the price/performance difference from a 5600X to a 58 or even 5900X, we're talking over £200 between the 56 and 5900X for a 5fps (give or take) increase, 10 fps at the very most on certain games.
  • My monitor is 165hz and honestly unless I had a fps counter on, I would hardly know if a game was running at 100 or 165 fps/hz, so yeah as long as my games run at 100-120fps which they easily will with a 5600X/3080 then I'm happy, hitting my monitors refresh rate consistently is just a bonus (ofcourse I'm excluding a few of the big hitters like RDR2, CP etc)
  • I really don't use my PC for much other than gaming/browsing, I was streaming for roughly a year or so but I quit that about 6 months ago, so I really can't see me needing anything more than 6C/12T right now, if my needs change then I'll just upgrade but I don't think they will anytime soon.
  • I am already very happy with everyday/ non-game related performance of my 2700X, it's really not an issue for me the only issue is I know I'm getting bottlenecked pretty hard in some games, the 5600X will make great improvements to both of those departments.
  • I am being made redundant in 2-3 months so I need to be a little smarter with my money right now (ironic I know, as I'm sitting here spending more money on hardware lol but you guys understand I'm sure... My missus not so much :p). I am still looking to buy a PS5, so by not buying a 5900X ans saving £200~250 and after I re-sell my 2700X I will pretty much have 80% of the money for it straight away.
Thanks for the comments and debates you were all having, it really helped me decide and think a lot more into what I actually need :D
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IMO your purchase makes sense. You could always upgrade in the future or next iteration ie xt version.
 
Ok think the 5600x is the right choice for now. 6 cores 12 threads I believe will be great for a least 3 years I believe, probably 4. Games are only just starting to take advantage of these available cores. I've just upgraded from an old i7 4770k to a 3700x. It's definitely helped me. I only went with the 3700x over the 3600x as the availability and pricing is not great right now and I got the best deal on that. I wanted the 5600x but it wasn't available and I needed a CPU quickly.
 
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