Canon 17-40L + Full Frame = Disappointing Results

The original Canon TS-E 24mm f/3.5 L was introduced in 1991. 23 years ago. For its time is was an excellent lens.

It was replaced in 2009 by the Canon TSE 24mm f/3.5 L Mark II - this lens is regarded as one of the sharpest 24mm on the market.

In 1991 what were Nikon 24mm TS lenses like? Oh, that's right, they didn't have one. They introduced their Nikon 24mm f/3.5 PC-E in 2008.
 
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It's not an amazing lens but on a tripod stopped down and focused carefully it should be enough to satisfy. That looks like a nice street you live in by the way. There aren't really many bad lenses these days and any mistakes or bad results I'd attribute it to user error as I've done it myself.

The whole Canon L worship was always a bit embarrassing I thought on the Canon forums, you didn't really find it with Nikon owners.
 
You're right, there does seem to be a lot of antagonism and beligerance in here of late.

I'm bowing out of this one anyway as it's such an utterly stupid argument and I really can't be bothered any more.

IMO your posts come across as the most antagonistic and rude


Anyways back on topic glad you are starting to enjoy the lens a bit more op, I guess the modern full frame cameras with high pixel count are pushing some of the older lens designs to the limit
 
You're right, there does seem to be a lot of antagonism and beligerance in here of late.

I'm bowing out of this one anyway as it's such an utterly stupid argument and I really can't be bothered any more.

Your post is needlessly argumentive for absolutely no reason and nothing you has said has disproved what I said. I won't lower myself to childish rebuttals of your individual points (I can easily provide reviews show non-L lenses perform better than L but you will ignore these facts. I feel so I don't want to water my time) but will apologize for upsetting you so.



You seem to find great offense when someone makes a factual statement about a canon product that isn't bathing canon in glory and praise which I find quite a sad allegiance. Even with my fondness of Nikon products of late I can fault them until the cows come home (very slow to updated certain lenses, customer service going downhill, terrible marketing, not admitting design defects, terrible software, not sharing sensor details with Adobe and 3rd party raw converters, lack of DX primes, lack of D300 successor, price increases, overprice Nikon 1 system with terrible name.)

As to the topic at hand, I am glad you are bowing out because you simply don't have a tenable argument and my observation is based on factual data. The point is simple, Canon do not provide any official requirements for L designation (minimum resolution, maximum distortion or CA) and so judging a lens's optical quality by the L marketing is flawed. In black and white terms, a non-L lens can have fantastic image quality, and an L lens can be mediocre or poor. Each lens must be judged individually on it own merits. It seems you have been tricked by the marketing.


You seem to find this simple fact to be an attack on Canon. I feel sorry for you if this is how your mind works. If it makes you feel any better I firmly believe that canon make some of the best 35mm(SLR) format lenses known to man, some of these lenses can not be matched by Nikon, Sony, Pentax, Zeiss, Leica, and many of these have an L designatio and some of them dont. But the 17-40L is not one of them, it is distinctly mediocre (but sufficient when stopped down for most landscape users). Maybe 90% of canon L lenses are superb optically, maybe way more, it doesn't matter as the point still stands. Judge each lens on its own merits for your own individual use and ignore marketing.
 
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The original Canon TS-E 24mm f/3.5 L was introduced in 1991. 23 years ago. For its time is was an excellent lens.

It was replaced in 2009 by the Canon TSE 24mm f/3.5 L Mark II - this lens is regarded as one of the sharpest 24mm on the market.

In 1991 what were Nikon 24mm TS lenses like? Oh, that's right, they didn't have one. They introduced their Nikon 24mm f/3.5 PC-E in 2008.

Apart from the fact that you are absolutely wrong (Nikon first released a PC lens in 1962 so you are only out by 46 years, and this was the first shift capable lens released for 35mm SLRs, canon released their first PC lens 7 years later) it is a meaningless statement. What on earth does it matter what Nikon or Sony or Pentax have or haven't released when discussing 3 canon lenses?

This is the kind of fanboy comment that plagues forums. Mention something that is actually factually incorrect and entirely off topic but places a competitor in bad light.:rolleyes:

My point was quite simple. The 24TS L had worse optical quality than the Non-L 45mm and 90mm lenses, firmly proving that not 100% of L lenses have superior image quality.

Nikon's shortcomings are irrelevant here, as is the fact that neither Pentax or Sony have TS lenses. Canons TS lenses are better mechanically than Nikon's, and their 17mm TS is an absolute marvel. That says nothing about canon's L marketing.
 
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My statement is right. I was talking about a 24mm ts lens. Nikon might have been the first to release a 35mm format 35mm ts, but the fact remains they didn't have a 24mm ts until 2008 and that I what I was talking about.
 
My statement is right. I was talking about a 24mm ts lens. Nikon might have been the first to release a 35mm format 35mm ts, but the fact remains they didn't have a 24mm ts until 2008 and that I what I was talking about.

Regardless, it is a completely irrelevant statement has nothing to do with the point being made.
 
Was it really? Who says? You? Who voted you arbiter of what is said on these forums?

I give up - remind me never to engage in any dialogue with DP again - and they wonder why this sub-forum is dying - I give you exhibit A - DP.
 
Was it really? Who says? You? Who voted you arbiter of what is said on these forums?

I give up - remind me never to engage in any dialogue with DP again - and they wonder why this sub-forum is dying - I give you exhibit A - DP.

Explain to me how Nikon has anything to do with a comparison of 3 Canon lenses? It doesn't, just another mindless fanboy comment yet you have the audacity to claim I have anything to do with the state of the forum! I am one of the most active contributors, providing technical assistance for many asking about lenses, support, technique. I frequently give constructive critique when many barely lifts a finger, I post news and rumors. It was me who initiated restarting the competition despite not giving a damn about as I knew no one else would bother despite the fuss being made. What exactly do you contribute?
 
Mine needed some MA and I've been using it since getting the 5D3 around the world. Haven't had a cause for complaint for it's optical performance "on the whole" but I still stand by my comments early on when I posted about it that the Canon 17-55 2.8 IS was sharper even at 2.8 vs the 17-40 at f4 at the widest end. Edit* Though to be fair the 17-55 does use L glass elements inside, just the build construction of the shell isn't up to L standards and any shortcomings wouldn't be evident as it's a crop lens.

Other than that it's been a fine lens and gotten me many hugely popular photographs.

I'm going to upgrade it in time though, I was settled on the 14mm 2.8... but I like the prospect of the new 16-35 f4 L IS. It's better in all regards than the 17-40 with the addition of IS. It's not 14mm but the upshot is in some locations I won't need to break out the tripod which is a big big plus point.
 
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