Canon EOS 7d Body - New - £699

Any processing is just in Lightroom, I don't mess around with any exotic noise reduction techniques so there are far better examples out there that show what can be achieved with a 7D. I already said mine aren't the best, but as happy snapper examples they suit. Have a look over on POTN for examples from Teamspeed etc.

Edit: I think you're right, from memory the bat was over exposed. I'd have to check though.
 
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Teamspeed does all kinds of funky noise reduction. Primarily cleaning up the blue channel as that is the most problematic.
Tbh though, who wants that kind of extra workflow. For amateurs with spare time on their hands maybe it's ok, for pro's it's money down the drain.
 
Teamspeed does all kinds of funky noise reduction. Primarily cleaning up the blue channel as that is the most problematic.
Tbh though, who wants that kind of extra workflow. For amateurs with spare time on their hands maybe it's ok, for pro's it's money down the drain.

Rubbish, I give up with you. You'll take different sides of any argument that suits your agenda. Workflows are easy to automate as you have pointed out yourself previously. I guess its only difficult when you decide? It's beyond boring now. Ta ta.
 
WB can you automate? No
Exposure can you automate? No
Straitening Can you automate? No
Noise reduction can you automate? Not once you get extreme like Teamspeed. In LR I guess you can isolate the high ISO's, then add some arbitrary NR according to ISO via a preset. However for best results it's better to do it individually by eye as not every ISO 6400 file has the same level of noise. The trouble with adding NR is it softens the image. Then you need to sharpen the image, then what does the sharpening do? that's right you need more NR.

Personally I don't bother with NR.

Can you automate a 'processing style'? Yes it's easy, but everything else must first be normalised, and that's not automated.
 
WB can you automate? No
Exposure can you automate? No
Straitening Can you automate? No
Noise reduction can you automate? Not once you get extreme like Teamspeed. In LR I guess you can isolate the high ISO's, then add some arbitrary NR according to ISO via a preset. However for best results it's better to do it individually by eye as not every ISO 6400 file has the same level of noise. The trouble with adding NR is it softens the image. Then you need to sharpen the image, then what does the sharpening do? that's right you need more NR.

Personally I don't bother with NR.

Can you automate a 'processing style'? Yes it's easy, but everything else must first be normalised, and that's not automated.

Sorry, I didn't realise that using a 7D also meant that the WB, Exposure and framing would all automatically be wrong as well! You really really hate Canon :D

Wildlife togs do spend a lot of time processing, as do landscapers. The 7D can take pictures over ISO 800. Are there better sensors out there? Of course, but it doesn't make a 7D a poor camera.

I could knock the D7000 and its widely reported AF inconsistencies, or the D800 and its AF problems both out of the factory and with prime lenses, not too mention poor build and QA of said lenses and bodies coupled with shoddy customer care... but none of that bothers me, these are just tools and in a mass produced market there will be issues that are always highlighted va the Internet. I don't understand the obsession with rubbishing competing products. For me it completely devalues any other information you provide as I can't see it as impartial.
 
Sorry, I didn't realise that using a 7D also meant that the WB, Exposure and framing would all automatically be wrong as well! You really really hate Canon :D

In regard to automation, I'm just highlighting that most of it can't actually be automated, other than signature styles etc.
Of course you could get it right in camera with an expodisc or something, but that takes time as well.
 
Until last month I shot Canon. I love the Nikon full frame cameras and prefer the lens lineup to that on Nikon, it was just that for my use, the D800 did everything that the 5D3 and does it better. However, both camps have top of the line crop cameras, that really don't deserve that position in the lineup as technology has moved on so far since their release.

When Nikon's bottom of the line D3200 produces better image quality than either of the current crop flagships, that's when both systems need an update, is all I'm saying. Buying a 7D is like buying a 1D2 now, which is something that really should not be true for a camera that's still available new.

Also on the grain front, Canon noise is awful if you pull stuff out of the shadows in post, and even shooting normally it's quite ugly when it's present. Lightroom's grain is much nicer. I've been watching Lara Jade recently and the number of times she's pushed ISO to say 800, because she likes "that film like vintage feel that you get from the grain" has started to get infuriating, particularly given how adept she is in photoshop otherwise and the fact she adds grain in post anyway.

I think the problem is, the 7D is good in every aspect that differentiates a pro camera from a consumer camera, but then its sensor is worse than most consumer cameras nowadays. As a result, consumers don't stand to gain much from buying it, because they don't necessarily need the build quality, autofocus etc., and pros don't stand to gain much because it's quite limited in what it can shoot outside of perfect light - there's no point being able to focus at -2Ev if all you're photographing is noise.

People shopping at the £700 mark rarely have much to gain from the pro-oriented features of the 7d and more to gain from a sensor that can handle ISO etc. better as they're not likely to be exposing properly, using fast glass etc.
 
Also on the grain front, Canon noise is awful if you pull stuff out of the shadows in post, and even shooting normally it's quite ugly when it's present. Lightroom's grain is much nicer. I've been watching Lara Jade recently and the number of times she's pushed ISO to say 800, because she likes "that film like vintage feel that you get from the grain" has started to get infuriating, particularly given how adept she is in photoshop otherwise and the fact she adds grain in post anyway.

Is this the Joey L vs Lara Jade vid?
 
That and her creative live talk, she says it in both, as well as referring to a "glow" and "magical quality" that high ISO brings to her images which to myself and my friend sounds an awful lot like she's just been underexposing intuitively all her life (she shoots in full manual)
 
The 7D is a good camera with an excellent AF system. It's well built. You can take great photos with it. Any DSLR made in the past 5/6 years will handle almost any situation admirably - there's no picture a D800/D600 can take that would be physically impossible to do with a D700. Or a 1DsIII vs a 1DX, a 7D vs the upcoming 7DII. The advances made since then haven't really affected the fundamentals of picture taking, it's just made things slightly easier.
 
7D is not a bad camera. It is just not as good as the one come out now or FF sensors or camera costing 2 or 3 times as much.

It will blow any camera at £700 out of the water with its AF and weather sealing.

The D7000 is 20% cheaper and is weather sealed, with a much better sensor.
 
If you don't need the AF, build, handling etc. then you wouldn't be looking at a 7D... The same sensor is also in the cheaper models in the range. It's not the best crop sensor, but it's not incapable of taking pictures either.

I nearly picked up a D800 and Sigma 35, but missed out by £75... I keep getting itchy feet at the moment, I don't know why?! I'm not looking to do anymore weddings, so thinking of going back to a single body...
 
The 7D is a good camera with an excellent AF system. It's well built. You can take great photos with it. Any DSLR made in the past 5/6 years will handle almost any situation admirably - there's no picture a D800/D600 can take that would be physically impossible to do with a D700. Or a 1DsIII vs a 1DX, a 7D vs the upcoming 7DII. The advances made since then haven't really affected the fundamentals of picture taking, it's just made things slightly easier.

Hey, my 1Ds2 is over 8 years old! :D
 
I watched the trailer for that....Lara Jade has the most annoying voice in photography - would not buy. :D

haha I didn't mind her too much in that. By creative Live she's been living in New York long enough that she's developed a twang, but it's really really odd. She has certain words that she pronounces totally Americanised versions of, certain words that she sounds really english and then at the start of pretty much every sentence she drops into a bit of Australian.

Still, she produces some incredible work so can't complain too much :P
 
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