Canyon Ultimate or Rose X-Lite CRS

Drollic · 14 Jul 2017 at 18:46

Not sure which to go for out of these two. The ultimate cf slx 8 is currently on sale, yet I'd have to sell the wheels for some 38-50mm clinchers ideally. The xlite can be specced with ritchey 38mm clinchers with 25c conti from factory making the bike a good £500+ cheaper. Both full ultegra. Full aero bikes are out of the question as I intend to do some long distance riding over multiple days all on the one bike. I don't think I could hack the geo. The rose doesn't have that much discount and so I'm tempted to wait till they come with the new ultegra spec, or will this be 2018? The canyon has 350 off and I can't see the new ultegra being worth that much extra from what I've seen. Any other ideas?

Shamrock · 14 Jul 2017 at 20:37

I think you aren't actually comparing the same level of bike. The Ultimate SLX is a Tour de France pedigree frame and slightly lighter at 780g. The equivalent Rose frame would actually be the X-Lite Team not the CRS. So if you're trying to decide between the Ultimate and CRS for the same price, I'd go for the Canyon.

That said, I own a Rose and can't fault it or the service Rose provided. Canyon, on the other hand, have a pretty **** reputation recently for service. A mate of mine ordered a bike last September and still hadn't received it in June so cancelled his order. :eek:

Drollic · 14 Jul 2017 at 22:31

Shamrock said:
I think you aren't actually comparing the same level of bike. The Ultimate SLX is a Tour de France pedigree frame and slightly lighter at 780g. The equivalent Rose frame would actually be the X-Lite Team not the CRS. So if you're trying to decide between the Ultimate and CRS for the same price, I'd go for the Canyon.

That said, I own a Rose and can't fault it or the service Rose provided. Canyon, on the other hand, have a pretty **** reputation recently for service. A mate of mine ordered a bike last September and still hadn't received it in June so cancelled his order.

The comparison is as you say, however it's a question as to if to spend more on the canyon. I didn't realise until today that the rose can be chosen with ultegra 8000 for less than 190 more than the 6800 kit so it seems like very good value. Did you go for the matt carbon finish with the ritchey flex post by any chance?

Shamrock · 15 Jul 2017 at 05:48

I have a Xeon CRS frame from 2012 but have ridden a Cannondale SuperSix Evo Hi-Mod. I can't say the "Pro Tour tested" Cannondale felt any better. I'd go for what you like the look of and whatever you feel is the best value.

My Rose is naked carbon and I chose 3T kit at the time. It's been changed quite a bit since I bought it though. Obligatory photo...

Drollic · 15 Jul 2017 at 10:02

Looks great with the zipps. What made you choose the xeon over the xlite?

Edit - xeon is sold out bar 51cm.

The xlite crs with ultegra 8000 and fsa metron 40s is around £3030. Same bike with ultegra 6800 and ritchey apex 2 38mm is around £2650. The new ultegra build doesn't look like you can spec the cheaper ritchey wheels with.

booyaka · 15 Jul 2017 at 10:45

Rose owner here - CFG-3100di2 - no issues after 2 years of owning - couple of initial problems that they sorted quickly and easily. They even took a wheel back after 14 months and rebuilt if for me free of charge after issues with constantly breaking spokes.

Shamrock · 15 Jul 2017 at 11:04

Drollic said:
Looks great with the zipps. What made you choose the xeon over the xlite?

Limited budget at the time. Also a year later they released the 49cm which would have been a better fit for me than a 51cm.

BennyC · 16 Jul 2017 at 08:48

To defend Canyon I ordered a bike in February which wasn't showing stock until May and it arrived in March

correct bike, size, colour & all components

Drollic · 16 Jul 2017 at 14:24

Ultegra 8000 worth the wait over 6800 now with the discount? £350 off the slx 8

Vonhelmet · 16 Jul 2017 at 17:38

I think you're all overlooking the fact that ultegra 8000 is the ugliest groupset ever created.

#Chri5# · 16 Jul 2017 at 22:12

Drollic said:
Ultegra 8000 worth the wait over 6800 now with the discount? £350 off the slx 8

Di2 or mechanical? Mechanical I'd save the money, Di2 I'd tempted to save if it's got the new battery for Synchro Shift

http://road.cc/content/tech-news/22...es-shimano-ultegra-6800-and-dura-ace-9000-di2

SoliD · 16 Jul 2017 at 22:20

#Chri5# said:
Di2 or mechanical? Mechanical I'd save the money, Di2 I'd tempted to save if it's got the new battery for Synchro Shift

http://road.cc/content/tech-news/22...es-shimano-ultegra-6800-and-dura-ace-9000-di2

I suspect most 6800 di2 shipping now comes with the new spec battery.

Drollic · 17 Jul 2017 at 07:08

#Chri5# said:
Di2 or mechanical? Mechanical I'd save the money, Di2 I'd tempted to save if it's got the new battery for Synchro Shift

http://road.cc/content/tech-news/22...es-shimano-ultegra-6800-and-dura-ace-9000-di2

Mechanical. Whilst di2 would be nice, I see it as a real luxury item. I'm upgrading from an al bike not far off 9kg with sora

#Chri5# · 17 Jul 2017 at 13:27

I'd take 6800 then and pocket the saving

Drollic · 20 Jul 2017 at 09:56

This is terrible, the more time I spend debating the choice, the more I'm tempted to shell out for di2. The perfect indexing, minimal maintenance, better front mech change, auto trim and holding the lever for rear changes has me tempted.

SoliD · 20 Jul 2017 at 10:05

If you have the money definitely get the Di2.

SDK^ · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:08

Do it : https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/ultimate/2016/ultimate-cf-slx-8-0-di2.html

£350 off and all colours and sizes in stock

Drollic · 20 Jul 2017 at 11:21

I'm between 184-186 (depends when taken) and regardless of other measurements within reason, the calculator points to large frame size. I understand this is a 58 which is the same as what I ride now. Think medium may be a little cramped looking at tt length?

SoliD · 20 Jul 2017 at 13:25

If you're bordering on two sizes I'd always go smaller. Can't chop a frame but changes to components can make it bigger.

SDK^ · 20 Jul 2017 at 16:14

I'm 187cm and a large Canyon frame fits nicely. Large is equal to a 57 frame