penski said:
They are still silly fast though. The day a road car gets a sub 1 minute lap time is the day I'll start listening to people saying that some car a group of engineers knocked together can beat an F1 team , notice i say team and not car.
Caparo T1 Supercar: What do you reckon?
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They are still silly fast though. The day a road car gets a sub 1 minute lap time is the day I'll start listening to people saying that some car a group of engineers knocked together can beat an F1 team , notice i say team and not car.
Simon said:
this car was featured in evo last year at some point, when they were showing the prototype.
The "Team" behind the Caparo T1 consists of ex-McLaren F1 engineers Ben Scott-Geddes and Graham Halstead. Mclaren F1 creator Gordon Murray has also insisted in the design
you'd be a fool to state publicly that a group of ex mclaren f1 designers and engineers couldnt come up with a car faster than a formula 1 car, given no restraints and a low volume production run. Especially with gordon murray being involved. If anybody knows how to make a singularly focused car, with the design being directed at performance alone, free from commerical restraints. Its murray.
I mean, the caparo is going to have everything that an F1 car does, with silly aerodynamics, silly low weight, silly high BHP/tonne etc.. only without the restrictions of the formula 1 format
ask yourself, what would the F1 team designers/engineers create free from the constraints of the sport, im guessing it would look something like the caparo ..
The one thing they don't have is the budget that an F1 team has!
Top F1 teams have resources of approx £180m per year to develop that car, £15m per year alone in engine development. Caparo are building the cars to a budget, a tiny, tiny fraction of what is devoted to ceveloping an F1 car.
Top F1 teams have resources of approx £180m per year to develop that car, £15m per year alone in engine development. Caparo are building the cars to a budget, a tiny, tiny fraction of what is devoted to ceveloping an F1 car.
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Does nothing for me. This however: http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Video.aspx?AR=225998&page=1&Mode=BScottland said:
Hubba hubba.
MrLOL said:
The aerodynamics will be no where near as good as an F1 car. I don't see how it can be faster. Bhp/ton is similar and thats all. The braking and cornering speeds of the F1 will be in another league.
Just cause they designed F1 cars in the past doesn't mean they are designing to the same criteria with the T1.
I keep forgetting this is OCUK though where everyone thinks cars are like computers and that allk that matters are numbers, stats and figures that are written down.
Who said that?spinneR~uk said:
it is being sold as a road car but the designers anticipate that the majority of customers will use it as a track-day car and that any concessions to road use would be abandoned.
following on from that, I hypothesised that a few choice mods could make it quite...interesting.
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penski said:
this is tbh how i see it developing
it will be sold in road legal spec. But i very much suspect that many of the wealthy customers will have it delivered to a track spec with all thoughts of road legal exhausts etc.. long gone.
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Simon said:
Lol, actually, the aero on the Caparo will be "better" than an F1 car. The Caparo's drag coefficient will be significantly less than that of a modern F1 car (I'd guesstimate about half).
Caparo weight = 550 + driver = 615
F1 car weight = 605
Caparo bhp = 750
F1 bhp = 750
Give the caparo some good rubber and sensible gear ratios and it will almost certainly reach a higher top speed than an f1 car.
Cornering speeds however, as you say, will be nowhere near. From the pictures the Caparo is reasonably lacking in wing produced downforce, although to be fair its difficult to judge the overall downforce producing potential because there are no pictures of the floor/undertray.
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MrLOL said:
This is basically the essence of it all.
It is effectively a very good estimate of what an F1 car would look like without all the limiting FIA tech regs.
Depends how much the drag is reduced by covering tyres as nick said.
It could be possible that most of the reduction is due to that, so the downforce is unchanged/increased due to the wings not having to balance the drag/downforce ratio?
I'll let nick take over this one as I don't really have a clue, but it makes sense to me.
It could be possible that most of the reduction is due to that, so the downforce is unchanged/increased due to the wings not having to balance the drag/downforce ratio?
I'll let nick take over this one as I don't really have a clue, but it makes sense to me.
georges said:Depends how much the drag is reduced by covering tyres as nick said.
It could be possible that most of the reduction is due to that, so the downforce is unchanged/increased due to the wings not having to balance the drag/downforce ratio?
I'll let nick take over this one as I don't really have a clue, but it makes sense to me.
All the testing in F1 aero is to get maximum downforce with minimal drag.