Car issues, engine failure.

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It appears that my Jaguar XF 3.0D S had a major engine failure Thursday night on the way home. Cruising along doing 70mph, cruise control on, slowed down to let some one pull in front of me to over take a lorry. Pressed resume then as the torque and speed increased there was big jolt and the car shook. Very noisy engine!

Managed to negotiate the round about I was approaching and then pulled over in the next safe place.

Mr AA man, arrived in good time agreed with me that was crank related. In his words “no easy way to this, that’s toast”

Car is now at my local Jag specialist waiting for them to inspect. Wont know the damage for about a month or so as they fully booked up. They did say if the crank has gone they would just replace the engine and trying to locate one can take sometime. The bit I found funny was I had literally booked my MOT and service with them for October the week before.

Luckily the car is still under warranty as I negotiated a 3 year deal on it at the time of purchase. I spoke to them on Friday and they seemed to be very understanding. Told me they cover up to the value at purchase and a labour rate of X. So I might have to pay something towards the labour.

To say my love affair with Jag is now over, is an understatement. Luckily enough my wife doesn’t need her car for the next six weeks. So plenty of time get myself a banger until my Jag sorted.

 

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Shocking for a car of that value, i can only imagine it is over complicated which introduces more problems that can happen.

My dad has a 20 year old French Diesel van that i kid you not, has never broken down in its life and its had a very hard life.

The 3.0L D is known, for spinning its crank bearing and Snapping its crank. When i purchased it i was aware of the issues and purposely made sure the one I got had a full service.

 

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Could be worse. Could have ended up...

In flames.

 

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It's very common issue , usually affects the land rover range more due to the weight it needs to lug around.

There is a design flaw that is too costly for Jag to fix and tbh they should have fixed it as it's a similar problem to the 2.7 engine that preceded it, but the 2.7 had less grunt so wasn't so prolific.

The big ends and mains on these engine although a suitable diameter they are too narrow, a wider bearing would be more reliable due to the surface area. Unfortunately there are many reasons for this, size, weight and cost of engine.

I know it’s mad. The bearing don’t even have tangs to hold them in place.

 

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Most manufacturers don't, but also that's not what tangs are for, tangs are for location only.

Bearings are held in place by crush, they are made slightly larger than the hole they reside in, basically an interference fit

Fair point.

 

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All part of the enhanced user experience of owning a Jag unfortunately.

Very true. Definitely won’t be buying another one anytime soon.

 

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How old was it & what mileage?

2014 and 89,209

 

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Sorry this has happened. Personally I would never own a JLR product without a watertight warranty.

Hence why I got a 3 year one, hopefully they will honour it not wiggle there way out of it. I doubt I will ever buy another JLR product.

 

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Gutted for you - It’s easy to say this though^ you could’ve had the same issue with a BMW or Audi. Years ago, the engine on my second car(A3) went at 60k miles and that had full dealer history.

No matter how much research you do, you do your, due diligence and check all the history etc. it’s a car lottery at the end of the day.

 

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Ah man hope they get it sorted

My Kodiaq was bought new from Skoda, warrantied thru Skoda, Service plan with Skoda, Extended Warranty with Skoda, MOT and recovery thru Skoda... see where I'm going here?
Car Broke down coming upto about 5 weeks ago now and I was taken Skoda in the vehicle by the Skoda Recovery bloke.

Misfire made EPC come on, car was stopped and not started again, towed to Skoda and left with them.
I was told a few days later that the parts had been ordered and my car would be ready for me coming back from Holiday.
I harassed them on 1 July as we were coming back on 3rd July, car not fixed and no courtesy car.

Apparantly they've already pulled the engine apart, and drained it down completely.
Due to the amount of petrol in the oil they've told warranty I need:

Coil packs, Spark plugs, replacement injector, and whatever ancillaries therein, labour for pulling everything apart and putting back together, full service.

Warranty team appear to be turning their nose up at this, apparantly Manufacturers warranty and the Manufacturers Extended Warranty teams are separate and a law unto themselves lol

I'm away to Edinburgh airport for a flight to malts start of Aug, if I don't have my car back their Hire car is coming with me and being parked up for 2 weeks lol

Hope ye fare better than me @inflames

Sorry to hear this, hopefully they get it all sorted for you soon.

 

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3 year warranty on a 10 year old car. This will be one of these 3rd party warrantys like warranty wise. Depending on the "plan" the bill could be excessive thats even if they pay out as a missed service will invalidate these plans as well. Labour rates on most of these plans are well below current market levels uless you paid a premium to increase it.

Yep that my concern.

 

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Pretty concerning.

What did the car cost when you bought it?

12k

 

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I recently (March) got rid of my 2009 3.0D XF-S; certainly knew it was 'a risk' but pretty unlikely in the Jag! Thankfully it worked when I sold it on - the buyer said the engine was going into a Discovery 4 with a snapped crank.

What a shame the engine was just fatally flawed; it was pretty good as diesels go!

The issue is definitely appears to effect the 4x4’s of Land Rover the most. There are cases with Jaguars, XF and XJ. until the garage does there investigation it’s still unknown what the actual issues is. From my understanding, what the RAC man said seems to be case though.

 

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Would be interested in how the OP car was serviced rather than just random opinions

Full service history, main dealer by the first owner, 2nd owner used a Indy garage, 3rd owner (me) one by the VW garage I purchase it from and rest including cam belt etc at my local Jag specialist. All have been done annually.

 

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Well over 2 month now... been on holiday twice, been in 3 courtesy cars.... Skoda still haev my car, awaiting a faulty injector being replaced! LMAO

After sale/warranty and support from Skoda utterly useless, off to test drive a Mazda on Friday

Sorry to hear that you’re still having problems with Skoda. Iv got nothing to report on my Jag as they still haven’t inspected it yet and all the other garages I have contacted about potentially doing the job have all said not interested.

 

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Seems they're all just being plain ass lazy then!

And to think I was told simply needed a new injector! half hour job lol

In the garage defence they are always busy, you need to book 2 months in advance usually. Today is 6 weeks sense I had the car towed there. If I haven’t heard anything by the end of tomorrow I will be contacting them for a update.

 

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Wow!

Yep, certainly shocking. But as I said in another reply they are very busy. I have been more shocked by the amount of garages that are not interested in the work. One garage stated they don’t like doing warranty work, has they have been stung before. What’s fair enough. Another said it’s to big of a job and they like the services and MOT failure repairs.

 

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Had a call from the garage today, to say that my car is finally in the workshop and they have starting to investigate what happened. Wanted permission to strip the engine. Hopefully will have some news soon.

 

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They were great before they got overly complicated with emissions stuff and electronics.

I think mid 90's to mid 00's was peak car reliability time, even gizmos for comfort and little enough to keep them simple to fix...

Certainly agree with you there, cars from that era specially some Toyota’s and Honda’s.

 

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Same in other industries. Unless you are looking for an actual scientist, the best are the ones who have gained on the job experience since their teens and self taught. Along with having a natural skill for it.

You aren't going to get the best engineers or techs by having a conveyor belt from university. You'll get people who know how to search google, write a lot of ******** and pass exams. Many are talentless hacks.

I have seen this at work myself, we get some of the young electrical engineers who come straight from university have zero practical experience. Some who have some climbed the ladder who can’t use simple tools or instruments.

Had one guy who is a few grades above me, who came and borrowed an oscilloscope for some test he was asked do. An hour later he came and asked for some help. Anyway turns out he didn’t need help with the task, he didn’t know how to use the oscilloscope. I kindly helped and gave him a crash course and with the actual test. This happened for the next 2 days on the 3rd day i just sent a PDF of the manual and told him I was busy.

The current group of electrical graduates are all good coders but have zero practical experience.