Car theft - is it out of control?

for me it isnt about which type of theft is less traumatic..... i love my ipace but its not like they are rare so if it gets nicked i can get another on insurance.

however it IS about the insurance costs....... and with that in mind, the more secure the car is then presumably the cheaper the insurance will be.

being forced to break into someones house to steal the car will put off the casual scally and only then leave the committed thief..... So for me what is best is what ever lowers my insurance costs the most.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
You wouldnt have that view if you had a break in i can assume...
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i already have. it sucks and is absolutely not something i want to happen again (even tho not much of my stuff was taken). Its difficult with no easy solution. For me the compromise is i would like my car secure (and you will know better than me but my understanding is the ipace IS pretty secure??) but like others have said, have my keys near the door.... that way if someone really wants to take the risk and break in to get my keys they can, but at the same time deterring the scally who has bought £50 of electronic gear from maplins and has gotten some guide of a dodgy internet site.
 
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It's the same system used on all their cars, so yea it's definitely vulnerable.

The problem with all these systems is the tech used to attack them moves on, but the security built in to the car doesn't. New holes get found, manufacturers would need to patch them regularly but they can't. Eventually they'll be fully cracked and won't even need a relay or key to open it.
 
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Post my21 with the later electrical architecture UWB so yes very secure. Nasher doesn’t know what he’s on about so ignore him.

The fact they are retro fitting modified BCM (body control modules) goes a bit futher than a “patch”
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
Post my21 with the later electrical architecture UWB so yes very secure. Nasher doesn’t know what he’s on about so ignore him.

The fact they are retro fitting modified BCM (body control modules) goes a bit futher than a “patch”
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So now they have to break into your house to nick your Range Rover? Not sure I'd want that upgrade tbh. :p
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Post my21 with the later electrical architecture UWB so yes very secure. Nasher doesn’t know what he’s on about so ignore him.

The fact they are retro fitting modified BCM (body control modules) goes a bit futher than a “patch”
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Unless they are going to keep updating it monthly, it will soon also be hacked. This is just a fact of life with these wireless things, especially when they dont have strong encryption. I work in IT security...

Physical security is the only lasting security.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
Whats the ellipsis for Nasher. You have no credibity on OCUK so dont pretend you do.

How do you hack UWB rolling codes with latency detection exactly?
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Lol, you talking about credibility.

I can tell you far more secure systems than this get cracked. There is a reason the government don't let wireless anywhere near secure networks.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
Way more than you, the userbase if vocal would say that but not so many like the drama of calling utter morons out like I do.

Yeah ive seen the Hollywood movies. The fact you have compared 'IT security' to something with a physcial key makes me LOL
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How do you think server rooms are secured. A good physical lock is much harder to get around and it's more obvious whats going on.

I don't think you realise what kind of hacking tools are out there. Some of them are ridiculous.
 
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Firestar_3x said:
Why would a security control system for a building be wireless?

I've visited lots of things far more important or secure than a server room and none of them required me to use a key.
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But there will be some physical barriers to get through first. A guard room, probably a manifold lock. You can't just walk up with a remote and open a room with 6 figures worth of kit inside.
 
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I think the true solution is far far harsher punishments, particular when it involves a breaking and entering someone's home, at this point the punishment should be several years jail time.
There should also be no punishment if a home owner kills an intruder, end of the day I thought I saw a pointy shiny thing in the hand of the burglar/thief, I panicked and I defended myself and my family from an intruder, I of course asked them to leave nicely first. ;)

My view is either make it easy, so keys easily visible so if the worse happens, someone breaks in they don't appear in your bedroom at 3am threatening you.

Or make it more difficult which there are many things you can try:
- Cars not on show to general public, parked out of view or garaged if possible.
- Keys in a faraday box out of view
- Physical security items on car, steering lock, clamp etc. though their effectiveness is not much it is a deterrent and the thief is more likely to just go find a similar unprotected car elsewhere
- Gate your property if possible
- Install Ring/CCTV around the property, further deterrent.
- Enable your cars tracker if it has it, so install / download the APP as most modern cars have one now or install a fancy tracker system
- Maybe get something like a Ghost or a fancy immobiliser
- Install an OBD lock or hack your OBD port or remove it.
- Install a fuel pump kill switch.


There is quite a bit you can do, even more so if your an OK mechanic, sometimes some of the simplest items such as disconnecting the battery will leave most modern thieves stumped and as they are in a rush they are not going to try and diagnose why your car has no power or the OBD port is not working or the car is not firing up......

Totally depends what your mindset is, make it easy and just pay more insurance.
Or take the risk someone might break in and confront you.


I personally am in latter camp, but I am fortunate we live rural with no passing traffic and it is very easy for me to see if I am been followed, secondly cars are parked out of view around rear of house and more expensive stuff in locked garages and anything on show outside has steering lock fitted, is under cameras and on a gated driveway, the house is also alarmed.

In short if anyone broke in the entire neighbourhood would be awake as the house alarm is bloody loud but I also have separate sirens I can active from my phone as well and one would hope with all the noise they'd leg it but fingers crossed it never gets to that stage. No idea how I'd react to be honest, either throw keys at them or grab something and attack them, I just hope to never be in a position to find out, but saying that I am certainly not going to make their life easy. If it was legal to have a gun, defend my house I personally don't feel I'd have any issues shooting an intruder and killing them, not sure that makes me a bad person but I'd just feel I was doing the world a favour by saving someone else from these scumbags.
 
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This was on one of my trucker groups on Facebook.

Driver had the lights stolen off his Scania whilst he slept in a layby. Taking a night out on the A1 is asking for trouble but even still when you run out of time you got to stop.

I can remember the old Corsa's and Fiesta's having their body kits stolen but this is another level!

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