Caster Semenya could be forced to undertake hormone therapy for future Olympics

[ttaskmaster]

Well most wouldn't as already pointed out.

You say that, but have not supported it. By contrast, the minimum entry standards are far above your average Kent club runner and not too far off those of the Olympics.

You could say the same about the Paralympics, the argument isn't about need as already pointed out.

You could say whatever you like, but that doesn't make it true either.
The fact remains that the Paras were founded for those of Olympic standard who were too disadvantaged by disability for it to be a level playing field... long after disabled competitors were already competing (and sometimes winning) in the regular Olympics.

No, I've repeatedly tried to get you to move away from the label aspect as it's irrelevant, rather it's the principle regardless of whether the label is used or not.

And the principle is a 'special event' for people who just aren't good enough... which we already have in all the amateur events, and if they're not even good enough for those then it's just tough ****.

 

[dowie]

You say that, but have not supported it.

Yes, I have, read this post: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...py-for-future-olympics.18785068/post-37347380

The fact remains that the Paras were founded for those of Olympic standard who were too disadvantaged by disability for it to be a level playing field... long after disabled competitors were already competing (and sometimes winning) in the regular Olympics.

[citation needed]

They were formed for WW2 veterans, as pointed out in the other post-injured soldiers in recent years have taken party - they weren't necessarily Olympic level athletes before their injury but they were fit and had the potential to be fit amatures but with an injury they had a shot at the Paralympics.

It's there for representation, disabled people typically can't compete in the regular Olympics and have an obvious disadvantage so there is a separate event for them, there's a smaller pool of disabled people and multiple categories so obviously they're not going to be Olympic standard but for their disability.

Same principle applies with DSD - they've got a disadvantage from a specific condition they have ergo there could be separate events for them for the same reasons.

 

[ttaskmaster]

Yes, I have, read this post: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...py-for-future-olympics.18785068/post-37347380

You seem to think taking an amateur level athlete who is well below Olympic standards, then further disabling them, would somehow enable them to meet the same levels they previously failed to meet... This suggests you do not understand the Paralympic performance requirements. Paralympians are, despite their disability, already far beyond amateur levels.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...py-for-future-olympics.18785068/post-37347380

They were formed for WW2 veterans, as pointed out in the other post-injured soldiers in recent years have taken party - they weren't necessarily Olympic level athletes before their injury but they were fit and had the potential to be fit amatures but with an injury they had a shot at the Paralympics.

They already were competing in the regular Olympics, so evidently were of Olympic level, and the Stoke Mandeville games were intended to be "an elite sports event equivalent to the main Olympics", which is why they were held at the same times.

It's there for representation, disabled people typically can't compete in the regular Olympics and have an obvious disadvantage so there is a separate event for them, there's a smaller pool of disabled people and multiple categories so obviously they're not going to be Olympic standard but for their disability.

Some can and do compete in the regular Olympics.
Their disabilities mean it's not a sufficiently level playing field, so in the interests of fairness the Paras exist. It doesn't mean they aren't of Olympic standard, even with the disabilities, and the entry requirements show this - You're just confusing yourself over that poor assumption.

Same principle applies with DSD - they've got a disadvantage from a specific condition they have ergo there could be separate events for them for the same reasons.

Being of non-elite standard is not a qualifying disadvantage any more than your lack of athletic eliteness is. You don't need a special event, so neither do they.

 

[dowie]

Some can and do compete in the regular Olympics.

No one denied that, it's the general claim that you were asked to back up and you can't as it's incorrect.

Their disabilities mean it's not a sufficiently level playing field, so in the interests of fairness the Paras exist.

The same argument can be made for DSD athletes.

It doesn't mean they aren't of Olympic standard, even with the disabilities, and the entry requirements show this - You're just confusing yourself over that poor assumption.

It's not a poor assumption, there are multiple categories and the pool of competitors is smaller. Injured soldiers who were not (or never would have been) Olympians before their injuries become competitors in the Paralympics.

 

[ttaskmaster]

No one denied that, it's the general claim that you were asked to back up and you can't as it's incorrect.

What, that it was founded for those already of Olympic standard because they were already competing?
It's in the history on pretty much every site, including Wiki.

The same argument can be made for DSD athletes.

Only if you include everyone else who isn't up to even amateur athletics level... Are you going to do that?

It's not a poor assumption, there are multiple categories and the pool of competitors is smaller. Injured soldiers who were not (or never would have been) Olympians before their injuries become competitors in the Paralympics.

And Olympic competitors who suffer injury then continue to compete as Paras. Neither is specifically indicative, and given that most soldiers are required to go be soldiers, so wouldn't get the time off to train and compete, that's even less indicative.
So unless you have performance stats of these soldiers pre-injury, you cannot assert the particulars of something that did not come to pass.