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I think that's a sweary too bud. I've seen a few people use it and not get suspended but it ain't worth it.
 
Zefan said:
It shouldn't be about which country you live in (stupid countries, messing with things :o ), it should be about whether the record companies mind you stealing their products.

I did try reading the link, but it's all in foreign so cba.
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intellectual property rights are a farce

yeah i went there
 
robmiller said:
intellectual property rights are a farce

yeah i went there
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Yeah I think so too, but it should be down to the record company to say whether it's right or wrong, not the country imo.
 
Zefan said:
Yeah I think so too, but it should be down to the record company to say whether it's right or wrong, not the country imo.
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It shouldn't be down to anyone because ideas are not property!

There can be a utilitarian argument made for patents (they encourage innovation by protecting people from stealing research) and a very good and straightforward argument for trademarks (they protect consumers by stopping people peddling an inferior product using an established name) but not for copyright, IMO.

Ethically, property rights of any kind have to be justified as extensions of the right of individuals to control their own lives. Thus any alleged property rights that conflict with this moral basis — like the "right" to own slaves — are invalidated. In my judgment, intellectual property rights also fail to pass this test. To enforce copyright laws and the like is to prevent people from making peaceful use of the information they possess. If you have acquired the information legitimately (say, by buying a book), then on what grounds can you be prevented from using it, reproducing it, trading it? Is this not a violation of the freedom of speech and press?

It may be objected that the person who originated the information deserves ownership rights over it. But information is not a concrete thing an individual can control; it is a universal, existing in other people's minds and other people's property, and over these the originator has no legitimate sovereignty. You cannot own information without owning other people.

Suppose I write a poem, and you read it and memorize it. By memorizing it, you have in effect created a "software" duplicate of the poem to be stored in your brain. But clearly I can claim no rights over that copy so long as you remain a free and autonomous individual. That copy in your head is yours and no one else's.

But now suppose you proceed to transcribe my poem, to make a "hard copy" of the information stored in your brain. The materials you use — pen and ink — are your own property. The information template which you used — that is, the stored memory of the poem — is also your own property. So how can the hard copy you produce from these materials be anything but yours to publish, sell, adapt, or otherwise treat as you please?

An item of intellectual property is a universal. Unless we are to believe in Platonic Forms, universals as such do not exist, except insofar as they are realized in their many particular instances. Accordingly, I do not see how anyone can claim to own, say, the text of Atlas Shrugged unless that amounts to a claim to own every single physical copy of Atlas Shrugged. But the copy of Atlas Shrugged on my bookshelf does not belong to Ayn Rand or to her estate. It belongs to me. I bought it. I paid for it. (Rand presumably got royalties from the sale, and I'm sure it wasn't sold without her permission!)
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http://libertariannation.org/a/f31l1.html (Although I disagree with how it deals with patents as above!)
 
Couldn't think of a question at first, and when I did I really wanted to know!

Could've looked myself but this is more fun :x.

Status: Looking for a guide ...
Status: Connected to guide: TommyB
TommyB: Welcome to ChaCha!
TommyB: hello
You: hey
TommyB: you're looking for the name of the german man in hostel?
TommyB: which german man specifically? haha
You: yeh, the one who likes to use his hands :p
You: he was on the train eating the salad
TommyB: alright
You: thanks
TommyB: I THINK I can find him, though I haven't seen that movie yet
TommyB: oh, was he a surgeon?
You: i saw it the other day with the girlfriend, but she just asked me if i can remember his name but i drew a blank
You: sort of, i dont think he was qualified as such
You: i think he ran the business
You: but i doubt he went to medical school
TommyB: Petr Janis
TommyB: according to IMDB
TommyB: does that sound right?
You: i think so, i dont suppose you can find a photo of him to make sure?
TommyB: sure
You: thanks :)
TommyB: issat him?
TommyB: (one the right)
You: ah no thats the wrong guy, the one im thinking of had glasses on
TommyB: ah, okay
TommyB: I'll look some more
TommyB: can you remember any of his quotes?
You: he played a big part in the film, the guy in the photo only had a short thing
You: something about using his hands
You: said that people dont use their hands enough
TommyB: ah, okay
TommyB: that should help
You: great :D
TommyB: "A surgeon, he holds the very essence of life in his hands - your life. He touches it."
TommyB: did he say that?
You: i believe he did!
TommyB: haha here's the problem: he was the dutch businessman
TommyB: haha
TommyB: and the actor is Czech
TommyB: how much sense does that make?
TommyB: anyway, want a pic of him too?
You: yeh that would be great
You: and germany/wherever dutch people live are close together :P
TommyB: haha
TommyB: the difference is all in the beer and the music
TommyB: :P
TommyB: germans have better bear, dutch have better music
TommyB: beer*
TommyB: is that him in the pic? (4th link)
You: dutch music? ive never known them to me great
You: mind you ive not heard any
TommyB: listen to a few of their doom bands
You: yes thats perfect thank you!
TommyB: okay!
TommyB: have a great day1
TommyB: Please RATE ME. Thanks for using ChaCha.
Status: Session ended.
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Angus-Higgins said:
I like the idea of pretending to be a guide, it will be good if they play along, so keep trying it. :p

Angus Higgins
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Here's one from last night
Status: Looking for a guide ...
Status: Connected to guide: KellyG
You: Welcome to ChaCha!
KellyG: Welcome to ChaCha!
You: Please be more specific as to what you're looking for on this topic.
You: Hello? Have you got a search?
KellyG: What may I help you find?
You: ... is this a joke?
KellyG: What?
You: You're saying the preset ChaCha messages, as if you're a guide.
You: We get so many jokers here
KellyG: No you are.
You: It's just not funny
KellyG: I am a guide.
You: Now have you got a search?
KellyG: You are not a guide.
You: There must be some mess up.
KellyG: You are the info seeker
KellyG: If you are a guide, what is your name?
You: That's what it says here too, as always.
You: I' m not allowed to disclose that information, you'd know that if you were a guide
KellyG: If this is a cross up, it's pretty weird.....lol
KellyG: I thought you were a prankster.
You: So did I :S
KellyG: What?
You: Never happened before for me
KellyG: Our name is displayed
You: I thought you were pranking :P
KellyG: Well our first name and last initial
You: Yeah
KellyG: Okay, my fault I thought you were a prankster too!
KellyG: Wow....
You: Well I am.
You: You FAIL.
You: Thanks, I'm done.
Status: Session ended.
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There's a great one on genmay...

Status: Looking for a guide ...
Status: Connected to guide: TaraM
TaraM: Welcome to ChaCha!
TaraM: Hi, how are you?
You: I'm fine, thanks
TaraM: Are you looking for anything specific about West Philadelphia?
You: yes ma'am, I was looking for the playground where I spent most of my days
You: Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool And all shootin some b-ball outside of the school
TaraM: Ok, so you are looking for the Fresh Prince of Bel Air?
You: Yeah, see, what happened was When a couple of guys Who were up to no good Startin makin trouble in my neighborhood I got in one lil fight and my mom got scared She said 'You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in bel Air'
TaraM: So did the cab have dice in the mirror?
You: HOW DID YOU KNOW?
TaraM: LOL
TaraM: Because the license plate said Fresh, so I kind of linked the two together
You: SPOOKY.
You: K, gotta go
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Status: Looking for a guide ...
Status: Connected to guide: PatriciaR
PatriciaR: Welcome to ChaCha!
You: hey there
PatriciaR: Hi
You: i need to find somewhere to get viagra or a substance with a similar effect
PatriciaR: sure
You: i'm doing a masters in chemistry and i had the idea of synthesizing MDMA with viagra to create a super love drug
PatriciaR: wow!
You: great just what i'm looking for
You: i'm in the EU see
PatriciaR: yes
PatriciaR: will you be needing anything else?
You: i've decided to call it secstacy
You: nope thank you kindly
PatriciaR: great name
You: unless you wawnt to be a test subject
PatriciaR: nope
PatriciaR: thanks
You: ok im done bye
PatriciaR: Have a good day
PatriciaR: Thank you for using ChaCha
You: i will ;-)
PatriciaR: Please RATE ME. Thanks for using ChaCha.
Status: Session ended.
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how to open freezer said:
Status: Looking for a guide ...
Status: Connected to guide: KellyG
KellyG: Welcome to ChaCha!
You: hello
KellyG: Hello there
KellyG: What can I help you find today?
You: the question above, let me give you some more info
You: it's kind of complicated
KellyG: Okay
You: I'm at work you see, and we have these big "walk-in" freezers
You: are you familiar with a freezer locking itself to get to the correct temperature after you open it?
KellyG: No I am not, let me transfer you to someone who may be able to better help.
Transfer: You are being transfered to another guide who can help you search even better!
Looking for guide ...
Status: Connected to guide: JasonR
JasonR: Welcome to ChaCha!
JasonR: Please be more specific as to what you're looking for on this topic.
You: Ok, give me a moment to type this out
You: the freezer here at work is a big walk-in type
You: after you open it, then close it again, there is a delay before you can open it again
You: so that it can get down to the correct temperature again
You: well we were defrosting the freezer
You: and one of my workmates is stuck inside
You: i need to get the freezer open before it gets too cold
You: at which point said workmate will die
You: can you help me?
You: I don't know where to begin
JasonR: let me get this straight?
JasonR: First, are you on the outside
JasonR: ?
You: yes
JasonR: then can you not just open the door as you did before?
You: no, because there is a delay when you close it
JasonR: How long does the delay last?
You: the freezer locks shut, you can't open it until it gets down to the correct temperature
You: until the temperature is sufficiently low
JasonR: But I thought you were defrosting it
You: but my workmate inside will freeze to death if it gets cold!
You: so i need to open it early
JasonR: Ok What type of freezer is it?
You: time is slowly ticking away
You: where would I find the type?
JasonR: and have you called your emergency number?
You: nothing seems to be written on the door
You: it's just stainless steel
You: I don't know my emergency number
You: I work for the NHS though
You: it's in a Hospital
JasonR: NHS?
You: I would rather get it open without bringing attention to myself, because I would probably get in big trouble
You: NHS = National Health Service
You: in the UK
JasonR: OH
JasonR: Since this is in a hospital, would he by chance not be 'alone' in there?
You: he is alone in there, it's the freezer we use to store blood
You: for transfusions
JasonR: oh, just blood and not people . . .dead people.
You: no dead people, that would be worse!
JasonR: lol
JasonR: yes, that would be!
You: though I don't think my workmate is fond of blood, he doesn't seem too happy being in there
JasonR: I would suggest you go get help
You: he keeps banging on the door and shouting
You: so I told him I would go get help
JasonR: immediately before you get fired or you lose the life of your workmage
JasonR: lol
You: so are you saying you can't help me? :(
JasonR: and you decided to get on Cha cha and ask for help
You: yes, ChaCha knows everything usually
JasonR: If you can't give me the type of freezer it is kind of hard to tell you
You: wait what's that over there...
You: JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION, GET BACK IN THE CAR!
You: Thanks, I'm done.
Status: Session ended.
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Don't really know where I was going with that one.
 
Ah man, i backed out because i expected him to suss me right away, and he was slow..

i couldnt think of anything and i was giggling like a girl :D

Status: Looking for a guide ...
Status: Connected to guide: TheodoreH
TheodoreH: Welcome to ChaCha!
TheodoreH: Hello, how are you today?
You: Hey there. im not bad
You: i have a problem, no one else can help.
TheodoreH: How can I help your problem?
You: i heard about a crack commando team that were sent to a military prison for a crime that they didnt commit.
You: if you could find them, maybe they could help me
TheodoreH: If they would be in prison I hardly see how they could help you.
You: I believe it was in 1972 they were put in prison.
You: but they escaped, and they survive as soldiers of fortune
TheodoreH: One sec.
You: ok thanks
TheodoreH: This looks like something.
TheodoreH: What country were they from?
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lol :D
 
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