True, but the refuelling years are seen as some of the dullest and most boring of recent times.
Not for me. By some people yes. But there was changes in those eras, that also affected things.
So e.g. when refuelling was introduced, there was already an established downward trends on overtakes, the momentum simply continued.
The upward momentum happened because of DRS and trye changes rather than the end of refuelling in addition in 2009 the cars were very close to each other performance wise. We also had 3 new backmarker teams added to the sport.
So to me to say oh its because of refuelling is all a too simplistic view and trying to find a scapegoat.
Also I enjoy cars been pushed harder, and when there is less fuel onboard thats what happens, not to mention refuelling adds more strategy elements, we often had light cars vs heavy cars in varous points of races.
What we havent had is refuelling, alongside energy recovery systems and along side DRS and HRT, lotus and virgin racing.
So e.g. when refuelling was introduced, there was already an established downward trends on overtakes, the momentum simply continued.
The upward momentum happened because of DRS and trye changes rather than the end of refuelling in addition in 2009 the cars were very close to each other performance wise. We also had 3 new backmarker teams added to the sport.
So to me to say oh its because of refuelling is all a too simplistic view and trying to find a scapegoat.
Also I enjoy cars been pushed harder, and when there is less fuel onboard thats what happens, not to mention refuelling adds more strategy elements, we often had light cars vs heavy cars in varous points of races.
What we havent had is refuelling, alongside energy recovery systems and along side DRS and HRT, lotus and virgin racing.
It's true you sometimes had light cars Vs heavy cars but then the heavy car will just sit behind and not risk the overtake as they know the car in front will be pitting within 3-6 laps so they can take track position that way. Honestly while strategy is exciting for some like yourself, the majority is clearly in favour of on-track overtaking.
Yes but you dont know if refuelling would reduce on track overtaking, it would provide more chances of pit overtakes but that doesnt mean on track overtakes would go down. I think they would go up as pushing the car more means more errors made.
History shows us that when there is refuelling in Formula 1 on track overtakes drop. Although this also shows that DRS has increased the number of overtakes in a season, https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/127597/how-drs-has-skewed-f1-overtaking-records also shows that while refuelling was in effect overtaking was very low. Sure with DRS it might be different but I, for one, don't want refuelling back.
Not to mention the extra cost and transportation required when several teams are struggling.
I already said historical data shows overtakes were already in a downward trend prior to its introduction and was other factors. The link you posted shows exactly that as overtakes were on a downward projectile for the 2 years before it was introduced.
In my eyes there is no historical data that outright proves refuelling was solely responsible for reduction in overtakes.
That can only be proven if it was reintroduced without other rules changes and it happened again, but some people are so desperate to not give it another chance it probably wont happen.
In my eyes there is no historical data that outright proves refuelling was solely responsible for reduction in overtakes.
That can only be proven if it was reintroduced without other rules changes and it happened again, but some people are so desperate to not give it another chance it probably wont happen.
Soldato
Refuelling is dangerous, even more so with the adoption of high voltage hybrid powertrains. There's better ways to improve the show that don't involve fire as an unfortunate side effect.
Soldato
ok
take my post
some ideas from the other thread
More competition is always better
More strategies will mix things up
3) Points for qualifying (top ten) and top ten reversed
More overtakes and again different strategies depending on the circuit will spice things up
Boring circuit offers zero racing
Helps close the gap between the teams and increases competition
although this may not work with other races that go on
Soldato
Nope, you still don’t get it.
I agree. Fires may look spectacular but they're dangerous!
Soldato
Yay! Stiggy's back! 
Don
Scrap grid penalties and just deduct points from constructors - ultimately will impact teams' end of season payouts, so will be more focus to make engines/cars reliable, and more importantly drivers aren't penalised for something outside their control.
Last edited:
I like this!
Deleted member 651465
D
Deleted member 651465
Assuming money is no object, I'd like to see...
- Ground effect
- Simpler, wider wings with a limited number of surfaces
- A restriction on the number of aero winglets on the car
- Shorter wheelbase length more akin to 1999 levels (3m)
- Larger wheels and bigger tyres
- Scrap grid penalties and just deduct points from constructors (really like this idea)
- Abolish the "must use the two tyre compound" rule (teams limited to a max of 4 choices for the weekend)
- All cars given a fresh set of tyres for the race (stop people getting to Q3 and not setting a lap because P11 has more flexibility)
Soldato
7 and 8 won't work because there's always a 'best' and fastest strategy and most teams will always use this. This was why the rule was introduced in the first place.
Honestly the current F1 races we have are night and day compared to what happened in the 'golden years' of the late 80's and early 90's. It wasn't unheard of for only 10 cars to finish, half of them a lap down and first to third spread out by over a minute. What we have now is clearly and undoubtedly better in terms of on track action, passing and reliability.
Honestly the current F1 races we have are night and day compared to what happened in the 'golden years' of the late 80's and early 90's. It wasn't unheard of for only 10 cars to finish, half of them a lap down and first to third spread out by over a minute. What we have now is clearly and undoubtedly better in terms of on track action, passing and reliability.
Soldato
I don't think many would argue with that. Nevertheless, today's audience have different expectations of entertainment, and F1 is still a long way from being able to deliver them. The more dedicated fans will always remain for the most part, but in terms of expanding the audience there's a long way to go. F1 just isn't sufficiently and deeply competitive enough. 70% of the grid have virtually zero chance of winning a race in 100% of races.
Soldato
Glad to see someone else made a list
EVH's list actually has some grounding in reality though!