Changes to the F1 Regulations for 2015

There needs to be an official feed back loop to the FIA/FOM.

They are apparelty doing all this to improve 'the show' for fans, yet seem to have no interest in listening to the feedback from fans. It's like they live in their own deluded world of denial.
 
Great, now we will have race development bias on race starts as race circuits with higher chance of safety car e.g. Canada (50% chance of SC) will lead to higher chance of jumping leaders after a SC.

Is Bernie involved in this or is the cat away and mouse is out to play?
 
What happens if a car stalls on the restart, do we get another slow lap and another standing start? Does that car then keep its place on the second restart or start from the back, or start from the pit lane?

What happens if someone jumps the restart and drives off into the distance (far enough for a drive through to be completed)? :D

What about if you happen to be leaving the pit lane just before the safety car comes in? Do they wait on the line for that car to come all the way around to the grid? Do they release the cars with this other car half way around the track?
 
Given how racing cars can overheat and critically fail just from a 3-5 second pitstop, how on earth do they think this is going to work? How many times are we going to see hot cars standing on the grid at a restart, only to have several overheat and conk out, and then the cars accelerating behind them will cause an almighty smash.

We've seen this many times over the years when a car fails to get away at a start, yet now the FIA wants to ensure it happens time and again when a car is at it's most mechanically stressed?
 
Yeah you do have to wonder about the ability for a car at full race temperatures to sit on a standing start.

But they will have spent 10 laps trundling round behind the SC so they might cool back to the same levels as they would be at the start after the formation lap?
 
Cars don't often overheat at pit stops any more - they have means of minimising the heat soak in most instances.

Hamilton's brakes overheated to the point of failing after his pit stop at Montreal, but they were already overheating and failing before that - the pit stop didn't cause it, the MGU-K controller failure caused it.

There have been a few issues of cars failing after pit stops this year with the new power units, but they'd most likely have failed later in the race anyway, and as teams develop them, they'll iron those issues out. Just look at the issues we had at Melbourne (already much improved from testing) compared to now.

The worries of cars sitting on grid forever is now more about the tyres and brakes losing heat than the rest of the car overheating. I don't see a problem with the restarts in that regard. I'm not saying it's not stupid, but reliability shouldn't be an issue - engineers have to develop the cars to the regulations, and if this is in the regulations and cars have be adapted to accommodate it, then so be it - it's the same for everyone (even Red Bull now that Adrian is only going to be an advisor :p)
 
Finners said:
Silly rule with the standing starts.

Everyone with really cold tyres and brakes all piling in to the first corner with 10 laps to go trying to make places up. Thats really safe....
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smr said:
“If it goes to a standing start, the chance of not having a great start is pretty high, so you could go from first to fourth. It’s just a bit too much of a disadvantage for someone who earned the lead in the first place.

- Daniel Ricciardo

Nail. Head. Hammer.

Exactly this! ^ This rule is just absurd beyond belief.... it is making the sport far too artificial and will put people off.
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Indeed.

F1 has really ****** me off the past couple of years.
 
I remember that a year or two ago there was a rule (that was later discarded) which said that the cars had to be able to start using the KERS motor. If we do have situations where a safety car could cause the cars to be sitting on the grid for ~10 minutes, a system like this could be very helpful.

If they are just making the cars trundle round as they were before but sending them to the grid for a restart then that is just silly.

One thing I don't get is why everyone is so upset about the titanium skid blocks. Yes they are there by regulation only, but I genuinely cant see a single bad thing about them
 
Reaper 392 said:
I remember that a year or two ago there was a rule (that was later discarded) which said that the cars had to be able to start using the KERS motor. If we do have situations where a safety car could cause the cars to be sitting on the grid for ~10 minutes, a system like this could be very helpful.

If they are just making the cars trundle round as they were before but sending them to the grid for a restart then that is just silly.

One thing I don't get is why everyone is so upset about the titanium skid blocks. Yes they are there by regulation only, but I genuinely cant see a single bad thing about them
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The new rules won't see the cars sitting on the grid. The SC procedure will be identical to now (stupid lapped back markers rule and all), and then when rhw lights go out and the SC pulls in, the drivers will pull up on the grid, stop, and wait for the lights.

They will only be stationary for as long as they would at the normal race start.

Looking at Hamilton making 4 places on the start in Austria shows how this can be little more than a lottery, but hidden under the branding of being "for the show".

robbiemc said:
Standing start does seem silly, but it was voted in by the teams remember.
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Not quite. It was a proposal that wasn't rejected by the teams, which is different to something they came up with themselves.

The problem with F1 regulations is that by the time they are publishes enough to gauge a reaction from the wider F1 community, it's too late to change them. But you would think they would have learned from the double points, as a lot of teams said it was a bad idea in hindsight after they saw the public reaction to it.
 
Skeeter said:
The new rules won't see the cars sitting on the grid. The SC procedure will be identical to now (stupid lapped back markers rule and all), and then when rhw lights go out and the SC pulls in, the drivers will pull up on the grid, stop, and wait for the lights.

They will only be stationary for as long as they would at the normal race start.

Looking at Hamilton making 4 places on the start in Austria shows how this can be little more than a lottery, but hidden under the branding of being "for the show".
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In that case, the rule is utterly stupid with no redeeming factors at all. At least they have stopped the endless restart scenario with this:

Duke said:
Safety Car restarts

Safety Car restarts will now be a standing start from the grid. Standing starts will not be carried out if the Safety Car is used within two laps of the start (or restart) of a race or if there are less than five laps of the race remaining.


http://www.fia.com/news/world-motor-sport-council-2014-munich
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Personally I think they should bunch the cars up as they usually do without letting the leaders be unlapped. Then let the cars go one at a time and make the gap between letting each car go the same as the gap that was between them before the safety car was released. It would stop people from losing a big lead that they have built up due to the safety car and it would generally interfere with the race as little as possible. The only downside is that the FIA would have to get off their backside and do some serious updates to the timing code (which, lets face it, is long overdue since it cant even cope with dropping a car to the back of the pack to deal with unlapping)
 
Reaper 392 said:
Personally I think they should bunch the cars up as they usually do without letting the leaders be unlapped. Then let the cars go one at a time and make the gap between letting each car go the same as the gap that was between them before the safety car was released. It would stop people from losing a big lead that they have built up due to the safety car and it would generally interfere with the race as little as possible. The only downside is that the FIA would have to get off their backside and do some serious updates to the timing code (which, lets face it, is long overdue since it cant even cope with dropping a car to the back of the pack to deal with unlapping)
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In that case they should just use slow zones. The gap is maintained as everyone slows down to the same speed through the same section, but races the rest of the lap.
 
I almost stopped watching it this year
Looks like next year may be intolerable

Just stop the cars on the lap the safety car comes out
Restart under safety car
2 or 3 laps max there

Ugh sparks.. Micky mouse stuff
 
How is this even going to work. Anyone lining up on the dirty side of the track is going to be completely F'd. Are they going to sweep all the marbles off the pit straight while they're driving behind the safety car?
 
It's a draft rule any which way you look at it.
If they said if it looked like it will be over 10laps or something then we will start from the pit lane, just line up at the put lane light in order or something, must be a better way than they thought. All tools, cooling etc. No marbles, allows them to clear the track far faster.
 
Skeeter said:
In that case they should just use slow zones. The gap is maintained as everyone slows down to the same speed through the same section, but races the rest of the lap.
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I still don't understand why they can't do what so many other series do, and have the restart controlled by the flag man at the start line. US series have the drivers line up, and can't rush off until the green flag waves. WTCC have it so that the cars have to line up in two rows that have to drive through their grid box, and an official presses the green light if everything looks OK.

This would do everything this new system seems to want to do, without them having to stop and overheat.
 
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