Cheap Petrol!
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Hardly cheap I would say. While it may be slightly less than other EU countries its still overpriced, due to the tax.
As a worthless comparison, its about 40p a litre here in UAE and 20p in Saudi. No duty is included, and its slightly subsidised. We have also seen increases here of around 20% in the last 3 years.
As a worthless comparison, its about 40p a litre here in UAE and 20p in Saudi. No duty is included, and its slightly subsidised. We have also seen increases here of around 20% in the last 3 years.
The difference is wether you are going to compare fuel prices accross Europe with the UK, or wether you are going to compare fuel prices as a percentage of average income in different countries.
Seen as the OP has just listed fuel prices, and compared them to the UK, I think he is going for the first aproach, so average excange rates is a better way to do it.
But again, I don't buy fuel in those countries, so why worry about it?
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I pay 60p a litre from here http://www.petroldirect.com/petrol.htm
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It would remove the effect currency fluctuation has on the prices given. People in France dont pay for fuel in sterling so therefore the awful value of sterling has no effect on the price of the fuel they pay, but makes the price they pay look hugely expensive to UK drivers.
Petrol is not more expensive in France to French people than it is in the UK to UK people - it just looks that way to people living in the UK pricing French petrol in Sterling.
The bottom line remains the same - fuel tax is too high in conjunction with excise duty, but would probably be about right if we didnt pay excise duty.
No amount of pricing petrol in a country which has a particularly strong currency against Sterling right now is going to change that point.
[TW]Fox;19343277 said:
I don't think that's the right way to look at it. Don't think about "in France to French people" or "in the UK to UK people". It's just people and stuff. One of the things that's happened over the last couple of years is that we (or at least people in with their assets and wages in sterling) have become poorer relative to French people.
The fact is that the UK has cheaper fuel than most of Europe. I find it odd that a lot of folk have a hard time with that idea.
Unless your going to rock up in a French garage with GBP in your pocket and buy some petrol, you need to take into account the local currency and the translation from your own currency.
Or... you just ignore it as its totally utterly pointless, unless your planning to catch a ferry to Calais every time you want to fill up. If your going to look at it in a "people and stuff" way then you need to add £60+ to every tank full in Europe to cover the ferry to get there.
Or... you just ignore it as its totally utterly pointless, unless your planning to catch a ferry to Calais every time you want to fill up. If your going to look at it in a "people and stuff" way then you need to add £60+ to every tank full in Europe to cover the ferry to get there.
Where will you be going in Norway? Unless you're going to Oslo, take your car.Damnit - going on secondment to Norway for a yearGuess I wont bother bringing the car!
There's so much to see and do in Norway, but it's so, so much easier with a car.
Sure, fuel's expensive, but it's not like you'll be covering vast distances, does it?
And if you're interested, there's a cargo ship which takes passengers from Immingham to southern Norway (Brevik).
http://freight.dfdsseaways.com/dfds_ferries/north_sea_ferries/brevik_immingham_ferries
[TW]Fox;19343277 said:
Agreed, but the problem is we'd have to pay more other taxes ( not that I think that's a bad idea, non motorists would pay pay the same for the services as motorists) to support the health system...
For example, here the govt spends only 3 billion per year on roads, but motorists pay over 15 billion euros per year in all kinds of taxes and duties, and that EXCLUDING VAT...
Not sure on the exact numbers, but pretty sure it's similar in the UK ( it can't be, uk doesn't have awesome roads compared to here and you also pay A LOT in duty and tax), motorists pay a lot for the govt treasury compared to the road infra spending.
The only way to reduce tax imho is to stop spending on health, even encouraging smoking, after all, old people who don't work only cost money and the longer they live the more they cost in benefits/other social laws and health costs. Health is a bad investment for the government spending until the pension age goes up...
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This is almost irrelevant though to the fact that paying over 150% tax on something so important is ludicrous, unfair and damaging to the economy.
I wouldn't mind if fuel duty was ringfenced for transport (and that VAT was charged on the price of the fuel, not fuel+tax...), but it's not.
if they spent all the fuel tax revenue on the roads and environment the country would have perfect roads and be in a much better state, but hardly any of it is spent on the roads and most of it probably ends up being spent on bombs for pointless wars