Ched Evans

[drunkenmaster]

Why have you missed this out?
I'm gobsmacked you agree with him, you are one of the better posters on OCUK.

Who said I agree with him, but again you're taking his description of what he believes this one woman to be, to be a description for how he feels about all women. You misrepresented what he believed about women deserving to be raped and you are judging his opinion of all woman based on his opinion of this particular women which is again extremely unfair.

If I say I think Suarez is a bit of a head case and a despicable human being does that mean I think all footballers are, more to the point does it make it okay for someone else to tell everyone I'm despicable because of my attitude to footballers in general because I hold one in particularly low regard?

There ARE a lot of sleezy women out there, and men. I don't hold particularly high regard for that type of woman either, not particularly the sexual part, I'm pretty open minded in how people handle themselves. But the kind of women you would see on reality shows, the types that go on Ibiza group holidays who just want to get drunk, get in fights, pee in the streets and generally be unpleasant human beings, that goes for all the men that behave that way as well.

Is it okay if I voice that low opinion of types of people that you can call me awful because I feel that way about all men and women?

I'm not agreeing with him, I'm defending him because you are making massive generalisations about his personality based on his opinion of a single person.

She may or may not have been raped, she may or may not actually be a person like that, the point is he believes that a lot of proof exists and supports that she is someone like that and he obviously holds such people in very low regards.

It's fine for you to judge him, maybe you don't think as badly about any groups of people, but it IS unfair for you to imply he believes that way about all women, or has an attitude problem against all women and I forget who but someone like you generalised his attitude to all women and called him a potential rapist.

He may in fact hold such views about all women, but nothing in his posts actually suggests as much.

What we have lately is if someone expresses a negative opinion of a women, or a group of women, then we absolutely are getting white knight types who are doing what you have, accusing him of believing such about all women.

 

[Nate75]

just read a wall of text (kinda). Swear there was a Suarez reference in there.

wtf DM.

 

[BaZ87]

Any mention of AVB being a dreadful manager and Alonso just running around kicking people?

The hotel night porter heard the pair of them at it and certainly did have any concerns.

Maybe so. As I said, I don't really know much about the case to be fair.

I was mainly just questioning those that are stating things as facts that aren't. People saying she told Evans to go down on her when that's simply Evans version of events.

 

[Vinno]

Whenever I see a headline which starts out "Convicted rapist Ched Evans..." it just makes me cringe. I don't know why the media feel that he has to be punished for the rest of his life and publicly declared as a rapist every 5 minutes.

It reminds of that video a few months ago where a Canadian TV show host calls Mike Tyson a convicted rapist to his face. Its pretty disgusting...and brave. But also hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDdSVYmp714

 

[HangTime]

I think he should be able to work, and even work in the public eye. However, I can understand why most clubs won't touch him.

If I had to guess I would expect him to end up playing overseas, but I remember reading about some issue whereby he is banned from doing so under the terms of his release or summat.

Unfortunately(?) he is not in the sort of position where he can either wait for it blow over (due to the short length of a footballer's playing career), or presumably take up alternative employment earning anywhere near what he's trained to do out of the public eye. It's a difficult one, even the traditional footballer's graveyard of running a pub / chippy etc is off-limits as as soon as social media gets hold of it, his venue will be boycotted by many.

 

[Tummy]

I think he should be able to work, and even work in the public eye. However, I can understand why most clubs won't touch him.

If I had to guess I would expect him to end up playing overseas, but I remember reading about some issue whereby he is banned from doing so under the terms of his release or summat.

Unfortunately(?) he is not in the sort of position where he can either wait for it blow over (due to the short length of a footballer's playing career), or presumably take up alternative employment earning anywhere near what he's trained to do out of the public eye. It's a difficult one, even the traditional footballer's graveyard of running a pub / chippy etc is off-limits as as soon as social media gets hold of it, his venue will be boycotted by many.

He cannot work abroad.He is still serving his sentence.

There are so many people that fundamentally do not understand this, the media do not help as they do not seem to report the truth either.

Ched Evans is still serving his sentence, his appeal was rejected, he is a registered sex offender (which limits him hugely in work/travel), he has only served half. That is the end of it. He is attempting to have his case reviewed, he is not appealing.

His appeal was rejected outright by three 'Lord Judges' (I think).

 

[BaZ87]

This whole "he's still serving his sentence" argument has no relevance to the question as to whether he can play football or not.

He's legally allowed to work and that includes playing football. Whether he should be allowed to play football or not isn't a legal question, it's a moral question so whether he's completely served his time or not doesn't really matter in this context.

 

[Tummy]

It does in the context of Evans playing football (or working in general) abroad. This is something he cannot do.

Him serving a sentence, does have a role on his work as there are conditions he has to meet, as well as his status as a registered sex offender and the conditions that brings with it. It by no means stops him doing every job, but it does limit the work he can do.

 

[BaZ87]

It does in the context of Evans playing football (or working in general) abroad. This is something he cannot do.

Him serving a sentence, does have a role on his work as there are conditions he has to meet, as well as his status as a registered sex offender and the conditions that brings with it. It by no means stops him doing every job, but it does limit the work he can do.

I know and HangTime pointed out that he can't work abroad anyway.

Mine was a general point. Several times in this thread and else where people are using the "he's served his time" line and it's being countered by "he hasn't, he's out on license".

From a legal point of view there's nothing stopping Evans signing for a club here. The question is a moral question as to whether he should be allowed or not.

 

[a1ex2001]

His application for leave to appeal was rejected. He hasn't failed in the Court of Appeal, yet. He's hoping to be referred there by the Criminal Cases Review Commission.

Exactly and his appeal application was only turned down as he has no new evidence and isn't arguing a technicality. The appeal system in this country doesn't allow for a simple 'the jury got it wrong' as we hold the verdict of a jury sacrosanct. Hence the criminal cases review board looking into it as they are now the only route to an appeal.

I've no idea if he is guilty or not only three people on earth know that but having read the transcript I couldn't have found him guilty 'beyond reasonable doubt' which is the measure applied and I'm amased the jury did! Still doesn't mean he didn't do it and isn't a scum bag just that rape is very hard to prove particularly in a case like this.

 

[ubersonic]

I've no idea if he is guilty or not only three people on earth know that but having read the transcript I couldn't have found him guilty 'beyond reasonable doubt' which is the measure applied and I'm amased the jury did! Still doesn't mean he didn't do it and isn't a scum bag just that rape is very hard to prove particularly in a case like this.

The thing I find funny is, the gold digger claims she was totally wasted and too drunk to consent, etc, etc.

Look at this: http://chedevans.com/index.files/html5video/travelodge.m4v

Too drunk to answer a question and has no memory of the events, yet sober enough to RUN in mental heels, and remember the pizza you left on the floor when getting out of the taxi?

Liar.

 

[Bubo]

Ched Evans should just get a job as a physiotherapist somewhere. Being introduced as "The rapist Ched Evans" would then have some useful context.

 

[Tummy]

The thing I find funny is, the gold digger claims she was totally wasted and too drunk to consent, etc, etc.

Look at this: http://chedevans.com/index.files/html5video/travelodge.m4v

Too drunk to answer a question and has no memory of the events, yet sober enough to RUN in mental heels, and remember the pizza you left on the floor when getting out of the taxi?

Liar.

You know that is not a good or reliable source and that website is also under investigation by the court?

 

[ubersonic]

You know that is not a good or reliable source and that website is also under investigation by the court?

How exactly is video footage, of the woman in question, taken in the hotel where the alleged offence occurred, not reliable?

It's about as reliable as evidence can actually get barring DNA.

 

[Tummy]

How exactly is video footage, of the woman in question, taken in the hotel where the alleged offence occurred, not reliable?

It's about as reliable as evidence can actually get barring DNA.

You understand the site is being investigated and is in no way any form of reliable evidence .

The courts came to their conclusion given the entire body of evidence, and the right to appeal was rejected, but wait! ubersonic saw a video on an unreliable website under investigation.

 

[JohnnyG]

You understand the site is being investigated and is in no way any form of reliable evidence .

What do you mean by that, is someone investigating that the video isn't actually of the victim?

 

[Tummy]

What do you mean by that, is someone investigating that the video isn't actually of the victim?

The Attorney General has ordered an investigation in to the website being contempt of court (in relation to the video and pictures being posted and the encouragement to name the victim), the website which (iirc) is funded by the father of Ched Evan's partner.

That and there have already been 9 convictions to do with naming the victim in breach of the 1992 sexual offences amendment.

This is just off the top of my head though, I'm not at my MacBook Pro, nor near Uni to properly fact check.

 

[JohnnyG]

Ah right, so no-one's actually disputing the video evidence then just the legalities of publishing it?

 

[Tummy]

Ah right, so no-one's actually disputing the video evidence then just the legalities of publishing it?

I do not know is the answer, and in all honesty, nor do you. We haven't been in the meetings or briefs that the QC has been giving.

I would have thought that the release of them could be contempt of court, so releasing them probably is not the best thing to do.

Also; anyone that looks at that site and comes to a conclusion is a bit daft. It's a terrible source. It's biased and does not present a fair picture. If you were in court each day, you would have a better idea of the full view of the evidence.

 

[JohnnyG]

Of course I don't know, that's why I'm asking you.
When you said the site was under investigation I thought you meant that it was 'fake' and it might not have been the victim in the video.