Chelsea FC "Jealousy" ?

[Loki]

Reading an article on SkySports News today with John Terry. Basically he puts down a lot of the media hostility down to jeaslousy. Well it could easliy be interpreted as that. They have spent a considerable amount of money when the whole of the footballing community is in a bit of a seige economy.

Looking at the facts with the Abramhovic Millions they have gone from Second to first under the transition of The Tinkerman to Mourhinio. It looks like they will end up first again thie year unless they slip up with a catastrophe. I don't have a problem with them winning the title. Although they will be the laughing stock of football if they don't win the European cup this year after spending all of Romans Roubles. I don't think there is anything to be jealous of though. What is it they have achieved in the bigger scheme of world football ?

I think they irk other football fans and clubs because they want to held in the same esteem as the big boys such as Utd, Liverpool, Milan, Juve, Madrid, Barcelona, Munich and Celtic. Right now and at this minute. They are also trying to buy a pedigree and a heritage that these clubs have and Chelsea simply don't.

Just look at Liverpool as a classic example. A team with a heritage and a history. This has enabled them to buy players. Not necessarily world class players in their own right but good enough and hungry enough to beleive they could take Liverpool back to the big time. Step up European cup number 5. They have local lads they can count on to wear the shirt with pride such as Gerrard, Fowler and Carragher. No different than the UTD team to win the treble of 1999. Keane's game in Turin being the epitome of the that team at that time.

IMHO greatness is acheived when you manage to win in the face of adversity or when you are 2 nil down at half time and win 3-2. There is almost a sense of inevitability with Chelsea. It's when rather than if. In that case is it really that great ? When the odds are stacked so in your favour does anyone really think what you have achieved to be that great or worthy of recognition ?

Finally if Roman does decide to jump ship or his money dries up do Chelsea have enough to fall back on in terms of Pedigree and heritage to make them great once more without the money

My ramblings on the subject anyway

 

[Frosti]

I’m seriously tired of people attributing Chelsea’s success to money alone. The players work extremely hard for each other on the pitch and show real desire to win things.

Real Madrid have shown that Money alone won’t bring Trophies and I didn’t see anyone complaining when Man Utd Spent £30Mil on Rooney, Van Nistlerooy, Veron, Ferdinand ect.

If Chelsea winning the title is a forgone conclusion these days, who’s fault is that? Arsenal, Liverpool, and Man Utd only have to play Chelsea twice each year, So I suppose it’s Chelsea’s fault too if they drop points against lower opposition too?

Sorry but it just sounds like sour grapes to me.

 

[cheets64]

Finally if Roman does decide to jump ship or his money dries up do Chelsea have enough to fall back on in terms of Pedigree and heritage to make them great once more without the money

If Roman does leave he will have to clear Chelseas dept and leave them atleast a £100,000 kitty. You think half of the Chelsea players would hang around for the wages some of the Arsenal players are on. Crespo/Drogba/Essien/Cech/Terry/Lampard would all go.

Chelsea could never make a profit without winning titles, even Man U are now losing profit year on year and they can sell shirts like hot cakes.

 

[mcdermos]

Its common for at least one person from the team that is currently dominating the league to say others are jealous of them. I'm sure if you could go back through old newspapers it will have been getting mentioned for decades.

When your at the top you have to expect to get criticism for one thing or another, its the british way.

 

[Tru]

...big boys such as Utd, Liverpool, Milan, Juve, Madrid, Barcelona, Munich and Celtic. ...

The common factor with these teams is a sustained period of success over 10+ years, I think that's what makes a team (and therefore a club) legendary. If Chelsea win a few league titles and a few European Cups over the next 8 or so years then they'll be in that bracket imo. The record books will show they were the best team in Europe and how they achived it will be secondary.

Sure, buying success isn't as romantic as a good cooach taking a group of players and making them perform above their station, but football's about winning at all costs.

 

[red11]

I didn’t see anyone complaining when Man Utd Spent £30Mil on Rooney, Van Nistlerooy, Veron, Ferdinand ect.

Man Utd during the nineties did not have the transfer kitty that Newcastle and Blackburn had (I'm sure there were other teams as well). The board were notorious for being real tight gits and the PLC board often blocked applications for transfer funds. After the treble and the prat Martin Edwards stepped down and Peter Kenyon took over Ferguson was given more money and blew it on players that I personally knew would not play well for us like Veron.

The amount of trophies we have won in recent years have declined and at the same time Ferguson has had more money available to him than at any time during his managerial career at Old Trafford. We always pay too much for players, thats what success does to you. You win trophies and players agents start rumours that Utd are interested, price goes up instantly. It's happening at Chelsea not because of success but because of money. They know Chelsea can afford it so why not bump the price up a few million.

The money argument is a valid one, if Abramovich did not own Chelsea would they be have won the Premiership last season and be on their way to doing the same this season? Would they have many of their current players or manager? I really doubt it. How many players have signed for Chelsea stating that it would 'further their career' and they now sit on the bench? *cough*Shaun Wright Phillips* Is he there for first team football or was it the money? How many teams in Europe could spend £21million on 1 player and afford to not play him regularly in the first team?

Abramovich wants the best. He brought in Mourinho after his European success and gave him transfer funds that most managers in Europe would die for. You combine money with the best that money can buy and you will get success. Mourinho currently in my eyes the best coach in Europe at the minute, tactically he is a genious, he may be arrogant but he does his job perfectly. The current Chelsea squad - full of class players and most of them would walk straight into most first teams in the Premiership. To say money did not bring these factors together would be quite naive.

 

[branddaly]

One of the reasons a lot of my friends have a problem with Chelsea for, is not the money, we'd all like that at our clubs. Its the manner in which they play. They are good enough to beat teams on footballing skill alone, but they don't jsut rely on that, they bend the rules as much as possible. A sly block here, a slight tug there, when the opposition are on the counter, the swan dives left right and centre. It that single minded desire to win at all costs that brings them the contempt. But this comes from the manager down. When you have a manager that has, when at porto, tripped an opposition player to stop them taking a quick throwing, that mentally is going to permiate through the club. And thats why people hate chelsea (apart from me, I hate them for cheating Newcastle in a FA cup semi final years back (well they beat us and I'm just a bit biased))

 

[Frosti]

To say money did not bring these factors together would be quite naive.

I never said money played no part, just that there are other reasons why chelsea are currently the best team in England not only beacuse we have the most money.

 

[red11]

I never said money played no part, just that there are other reasons why chelsea are currently the best team in England not sley beacuse we have the most money.

sorry it wasn't solely directed at you, just any fan who thinks money had no part in Chelsea's current success. I quoted you to talk about the big transfers Man Utd have had. It was only really my first two paragraphs in response to your post.

 

[Loki]

I never said money played no part, just that there are other reasons why chelsea are currently the best team in England not sley beacuse we have the most money.

I dont think anyone disagrees that Chelsea are the best team in England. They will propbably do this season what Arsenal (The Greatetses team of all time ever in the History of football circa 2003 according to the media) have failed to do and win back to back championships. Players from any league in Europe have always said it is harder next time around to defend the title.

That said I think John Terry is completely wide of the mark when he says the reason why people hate Chelsea is because of the money. Up until last year they had gone 50 years without winning a title. Hardly a dominant force in the english top flight. People resent Chelsea for their arrogance and in some respects contempt for the rest of footbal. Really they have nothing to be arrogant about. Yet anyway

 

[chimaera]

Totally agree with the OP and a few others here, its not that Chelsea arn't a great footballing team, its just that they use any means to get what they want.

I think the players behave on the pitch like Mourinho and Chelsea FC as a whole behave off it. The tapping up of Ashley Cole and Frank Arnesen was underhand and dishonest. How they treated Anders Frisk after last years CL games. The whole John Obi Mikel mess. The way they complain that they're not treated fairly when they've done nothing but flout the rules and complain for 2 years. I could go on all day.

Thats why people don't like Chelsea or give them credit they COULD deserve. If they just played within the rules and wern't so stand'offish to the media then they would be considered a great team of world football.

In the end i think Chelsea are trying to do the impossible, yes they may win more than the Arsenal 'invincibles', but they'll never match that accievement because of all their money, and it annoys me when Mourinho starts saying they dont get the credit they deserve. Yes they are a great team, but to try and compare their achievements to Liverpool, Man U or Arsenal is totally unbalanced.

 

[Burned_Alive]

I’m seriously tired of people attributing Chelsea’s success to money alone. The players work extremely hard for each other on the pitch and show real desire to win things...............Sorry but it just sounds like sour grapes to me.

Yeah, but what brought those players (and the manager) in, oh yeah...the money.

They have bought their way to the title, theres no denying it, but alongside that they act smug and arrogant in the process, not to mention the dodgy on and off field practices that obviously arent by accident.

At the end of the day money cant buy you respect, which is what Chelsea seem to desperately want.

 

[atpbx]

Real Madrid have shown that Money alone won’t bring Trophies and I didn’t see anyone complaining when Man Utd Spent £30Mil on Rooney, Van Nistlerooy, Veron, Ferdinand ect.

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Difference is, we earnt that money.
Chelsea have not.

Liverpool EARN their money, Arsenal EARN their money.
That is why other fans despise chelsea, they have not earnt their money, there is no finacial management or constraints, or conseqences to their spending, they blow 24 million on a flop? so what?

United blew 20 odd million on veron, and he flopped, and it hurt them big time, Chelsea do not have that consideration.
Chelsea posted the largest losses in league history this year, and what does it mean?
Roman throws some more money at it.
Thats the problem.

 

[Dingo]

Everything said about the money is probably true but the difference between Real and Chelsea is that Chelsea have realised that to win the English premier they have to have a good backbone of English players with their typically British attitude to the sport, and added the extra dimension of foreign imports.

Arsenal are typical of the other extreme where virtually the entire team is French, which works in the short term because other clubs are unfamiliar with their style of play and consequentially struggle against them.

If any coach had inundated a club with German\Italian\Spanish players he might have had a few good seasons as well while the rest of the Premiership adapted to their style.

The same can be said of Wigan (just like Ipswich a few seasons ago) who, imho, are more than likely to be relegation candidates next year because their style is simplistic and easily interpreted for a second season.

The Italians are on the road to ascendency once again so don't be surprised if Juve are this year's European Champions!.

 

[BaZ87]

I didn’t see anyone complaining when Man Utd Spent £30Mil on Rooney, Van Nistlerooy, Veron, Ferdinand ect.

Yes but it was only 1 season that Man Utd spent in the region of £50m, the rest of the time it was 1 big transfer a year and with the exception of Rooney those transfers you metioned were in the time where clubs were spending stupid money (mendieta £30m+ to Lazio, couples years later free transfer to boro). Where as Chelsea have been spending £100m+ in a time when clubs haven't got money and in the case of SWP it seems they have bought him just so Arsenal couldn't buy him.
The simple truth is that although Chelsea have been successful, they wouldn't be in the posistion they are without the money. People seem to forget that Chelsea were in major financial trouble when Abramhovic took over and would have had to sell there star players; section in Phil Thompson's autobiography where he claimed that Liverpool were intrested in signing Terry and believed they could get him at a knocked down price, where as now they are spending crazy money on people to warm the bench.

 

[Burned_Alive]

The simple truth is that although Chelsea have been successful, they wouldn't be in the posistion they are without the money. People seem to forget that Chelsea were in major financial trouble when Abramhovic took over and would have had to sell there star players; section in Phil Thompson's autobiography where he claimed that Liverpool were intrested in signing Terry and believed they could get him at a knocked down price, where as now they are spending crazy money on people to warm the bench.

Terry and Lampard would definitely not be playing for Chelsea if Abramovic hadnt invested.

 

[Tom0]

You cant buy Glory, You earn it, like respect, Chelsea have none imo. Simple as that.

 

[atpbx]

Terry and Lampard would definitely not be playing for Chelsea if Abramovic hadnt invested.

Terry was on his way to Arsenal before Abramovic came in.

 

[red11]

I think we were in for him at one stage, him being a childhood Man Utd fan and his family are big Utd supporters

 

[Morba]

One of the reasons a lot of my friends have a problem with Chelsea for, is not the money, we'd all like that at our clubs. Its the manner in which they play. They are good enough to beat teams on footballing skill alone, but they don't jsut rely on that, they bend the rules as much as possible. A sly block here, a slight tug there, when the opposition are on the counter, the swan dives left right and centre. It that single minded desire to win at all costs that brings them the contempt.

All teams are like this, all the strikers are nipping at defenders heels, little nudges, tugs etc.
Its just because its chelsea people think they are the only ones. No one has ever said that football is easy or for the weak of body or mind. Never has been, never will be.