Child support...

Mate, seriously get a paternity test done. For the sake of a couple of hundred quid, it pays for itself very quickly against 15% of your income each month, and at least you'll know if the child is actually your kid or not.

....and if it is your kid, you'd better step up and try and be a dad for it.
 
I don't doubt that this thread contains some very good advice, but due to the seriousness of this for you, you really should seek advice from someone thats not on a forum, someone you know who's giving you good advice (CAB?), so you make no mistakes that could cost you dearly.
 
MeatLoaf said:
Nope even if he isnt the father, if she says he is they will nail him for it, its up to him to prove he is/isnt.
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What happened to innocent till proven guilty it's her word against yours. How can they prove you even know her let alone had sex ? :confused:

I'd pay nothing until the tests come back, what's the liklihood of getting the money back even if the tests come back negative :(

MW
 
singist said:
As has been suggested, get the test done; if the baby is not yours, you have no reponsibility for it, if it is yours, you really had better go out and get a job so that you can support mother and child. I sincerely hope that you come out of this ok and go on to enjoy a long and happy life but having learnt a very important lesson.



Ok, now for the Mr. grumpy bit:-

As for being in full time education, it's a pity that you didn't listen to the bit about contraception ffs!

I find your attitude (and a few others here) very irresposible and blase ...... you are living with your parents, in full time education and may be bringing a child into this world and all you can think of is "I'm ******** it! how much will I have to pay?" You should have thought of that when you were busy in bed, proving that you were a man; you'll notice that I didn't use the term adult. Shame on you for acting so irresponsibly!!!

Despite the above, I wish you well.
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Do you have info we don't? or how do you know he was sloppy in his sexual practises?
 
For all we know she lied and said she was on the pill, when in fact she just wanted to get pregnant for the free flat/benefits. Its seems to be the no1 career choice for most teenage girls round here at any rate.

Get a paternity test before you admit/pay for ANYTHING.

If you are the father then step up to the mark and act responsibly.
 
Mr-White said:
What happened to innocent till proven guilty it's her word against yours. How can they prove you even know her let alone had sex ? :confused:

I'd pay nothing until the tests come back, what's the liklihood of getting the money back even if the tests come back negative :(

MW
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If the mother puts his name on birth certificate, he's the father legally.

If the CSA or whatever they're called these days come after him he will be forced to pay.

You really need to speak to CAB about what to do if it comes to this, though I would imagine you would need to go to court to get the birth certificate changed and the court will carryout a DNA test (though you might want to have carried your own out before to ensure you are right and won't get lumbered with additional court costs in addition to child support!).
 
KASM said:
So many made up facts from everyone.

Whilst he's in full time employment and not working he'll not have to pay anything ( we the tax payers will pay for everything no doubt )

Once he's in employment and if it's accepted he's the father he will be obliged to pay 15% only of his wages towards the child's upkeep, at no point is this sum backdated to the time he was unable to pay anything.

Of course he can come to a private arrangement with the mother thus negating the use of CMEC ( new name for CSA )



How are they greedy? do they get a bigger Christmas party if they nail him for an extra £50 a month? lets remember the money they collect goes towards a child he potentially fathered, I don't see why people have such a problem with making parents responsible for their own children, the alternative is that the rest of us, who do take the appropriate precautions end up paying via tax increases, whilst irresponsible fathers and mothers try and dodge the system.
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100% wrong.

Facts below:

15% is probably correct for one child if a claim is made today, but I can assure you it will be backdated.

If he isn't working, he is obliged to pay a minimum of £5.10p per week for the up keep of the child.

Yes he can come to an arrangement with the mother to cut out the CSA, but it's gonna have to be a good arrangement and the CSA will try everything (and use very forceful tactics) to ensure the mother sticks with them. Think it's called emotional blackmail.

They are greedy simple as that. I pay approximately £665 per month for one child (who I've not seen for 8 years) and this is despite the fact that my ex is in full time employment, living with someone and they both work.

As an example, part of the CSA's "costs towards the child" includes heating, yet my solid fuel fire costs me £100 (5 bags of coal at £5 each per week) yet MY heating isn't took into consideration!

There are many many things that I'd probably bore you with, but the fact is they are an extremely greedy and VERY unfair organisation with so many loop holes, back handed schemes and ridiculous calculations they can't be branded anything other than greedy.
 
Jokester said:
If the mother puts his name on birth certificate, he's the father legally.

If the CSA or whatever they're called these days come after him he will be forced to pay.

You really need to speak to CAB about what to do if it comes to this, though I would imagine you would need to go to court to get the birth certificate changed and the court will carryout a DNA test (though you might want to have carried your own out before to ensure you are right and won't get lumbered with additional court costs in addition to child support!).
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Damn didnt know that. How stupid is that... i mean any old girl can get up the duff, find a nice local bloke with a nice car/house and put him down as the dad!
 
Jebus, this is the stuff of nightmares for me. If that happened to me, i'd probably emigrate and deny all knowledge. Or just kill the baby, you could get Dr Coathanger out.
 
As far as I am aware the mother can not name anyone on the childs birth certificate unless that person is present and agrees. She can claim he is the father to the CSA and it will then be up to him to accept and pay child maintenance or prove he is not.

Secondly

As a new claim he will be on the new system so quotes of 45% is scare mongering at best and incorrect in his situation.

Go to this website it will give you a good idea of what you will have to pay

https://secureonline.dwp.gov.uk/csa/v2/en/calculate-maintenance.asp

Thirdly

Once he gets a job the current wages are not back dated to the time he was in education. In fact the only back dating the CSA do is normally the 6 week period when they are assessing or reassessing your claim. During this period its worth using the CSA calculator to get an approximate idea of how much they will be charging you and save that money away each week, so you are not faced with a huge bill after the 6 week assessment period.
 
johnny6 said:
As far as I am aware the mother can not name anyone on the childs birth certificate unless that person is present and agrees. She can claim he is the father to the CSA and it will then be up to him to accept and pay child maintenance or prove he is not.

Secondly

As a new claim he will be on the new system so quotes of 45% is scare mongering at best and incorrect in his situation.

Go to this website it will give you a good idea of what you will have to pay

https://secureonline.dwp.gov.uk/csa/v2/en/calculate-maintenance.asp

Thirdly

Once he gets a job the current wages are not back dated to the time he was in education. In fact the only back dating the CSA do is normally the 6 week period when they are assessing or reassessing your claim. During this period its worth using the CSA calculator to get an approximate idea of how much they will be charging you and save that money away each week, so you are not faced with a huge bill after the 6 week assessment period.
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Yep the father has to be present unless he is married to the mother then he dosent have to be there.

And if you hand over any cash before the CSA tell you what to pay make
sure its traceable, ie bank xfer so you can put a reference on it like 'child support'. If you give cash in her hand and she denies it your screwed
 
Jokester said:
If the mother puts his name on birth certificate, he's the father legally.

If the CSA or whatever they're called these days come after him he will be forced to pay.

You really need to speak to CAB about what to do if it comes to this, though I would imagine you would need to go to court to get the birth certificate changed and the court will carryout a DNA test (though you might want to have carried your own out before to ensure you are right and won't get lumbered with additional court costs in addition to child support!).
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surely you can refuse to have your name on a birth certificate without significant proof ? as if she can put anyones name on there, do i have to worry she might put my name on there ? :confused:

MW
 
MeatLoaf said:
When my wife and i seperated i was working full time and i was oredered to pay 45% of my take home pay ( for 3 kids ) which came out at over £100 a week.
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If you are on the old system like me this is either an exaggeration or you are not giving us the full picture here.

In basic terms the old system is calculated as follows

Net pay
minus personal living allowance (40-50 quid a week if I remember correctly)
minus 50% of your pension contributions (if you pay into a pension)
minus your housing expenses ie rent (this is capped to a maximum but I believe I get 50-60 quid a week against my rental costs.

You then pay a percentage of the total which is left. I pay 30% of the remaining total as I only have one child, where as you will pay 45% for three.

Therefore if you were only taking home £200.00 a week it would be impossible for you to pay £100.00 of that to the CSA (I assume you at least have a rental cost but not necessarly pension) Hell I don't even pay £100.00 a week and I'm on a lot more then £200.00 a week take home.
 
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johnny6 said:
If you are on the old system like me this is either an exaggeration or you are not giving us the full picture here.
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Sorry, but I'm with MeatLoaf on this, the old system they can (and do) take 30% of your salary and CAN take upto a further 15% (thus making the 45%) to reclaim any arrears.
 
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