Childcare help 'could be illegal'

[Fenris]

Well, that would explain your bias against freedom and personal responsibility then...

Not really, as I have said already, I believe this particular circumstance is completely nuts and Ofsted does need to look at the wording and legislation.

I think registering should only be required for people intending to work as a childminder, looking after a mates kid and Vice-versa shouldn't come under that.

 

[Dolph]

Not really, as I have said already, I believe this particular circumstance is completely nuts and Ofsted does need to look at the wording and legislation.

I think registering should only be required for people intending to work as a childminder, looking after a mates kid and Vice-versa shouldn't come under that.

The big point is that the individual, not the government, needs to be responsible for checking the quality of arrangements. The number of issues (recent and otherwise) in state licensed childminders, nurseries and schools shows that the current system just creates a moral hazard for parents by making them thing that the government can protect them rather than assessing situations for themselves.

It is all part of the nanny state and blame culture that has been steadily invading the UK for years.

 

[Dyson]

Ah, so you believe the media over someone sitting next to a head of department for early years childcare in Ofsted.

Wow, what right next to?!? In that case feel free to dictate what's right and wrong.

 

[Fenris]

It is all part of the nanny state and blame culture that has been steadily invading the UK for years.

Well I agree with you, kind of, but I do believe that registration of childcarers is needed, for the most part just to ensure people are vetted and are made to have to right insurance etc.

I think parents have the right, and inf act deserve, to know full well if the person they are leaving their child in the care of is known to be safe and reliable.

 

[Fenris]

Wow, what right next to?!? In that case feel free to dictate what's right and wrong.

I am stating is what is correct and incorrect, if you cared to actualy read my post instead of jumping on the troll band wagon, you would have noticed that.

 

[Duke]

Stupid jobsworths ruining the country

 

[The Halk]

I really hope you said nanny state as a pun

While I agree parents should, and will want to check out any childminding arrangements themselves, I still don't see why we'd want not to have some kind of register for professional childminders. Even if just to prevent people who are on the sex offenders register, people who have mistreated children as a childminder. Those are things a parent can't check, but I'm sure would want checked.

 

[Dolph]

Well I agree with you, kind of, but I do believe that registration of childcarers is needed, for the most part just to ensure people are vetted and are made to have to right insurance etc.

But vetting isn't (and can't be) that effective as it can only pick up people with history (see the recent incident involving the nursery nurse in Plymouth), so at best it means they haven't been caught/reported, not that they aren't a child abuser. This is where the risk of moral hazard comes in.

With regards to insurance, what is actually needed is a sense of responsibility from people to check it, and to understand the consequences of them not having it. (I'd suggest an online system run by the insurance companies would be more than adequate).

Neither of these aspects require the government to be so heavily involved.

I think parents have the right, and inf act deserve, to know full well if the person they are leaving their child in the care of is known to be safe and reliable.

But they don't know that now, what we currently have is a very expensive but rather ineffective quango that creates the illusion of safety, and is paid for by other people. It is another example of the entitlement culture, rather than the responsibility culture, and if parents want to have these things, then they should be paid for by the parents, not by the general taxpayer. Indeed we used to have one, that was run without state involvement, in the national childminding association

 

[Abraham]

I think parents have the right, and inf act deserve, to know full well if the person they are leaving their child in the care of is known to be safe and reliable.

And heaven forbid they should actually seek recommendations and further explore their local community. It's much better that kiddy fiddler steve, yet to suffer any charges or convictions signs up as a registered child minder and can now have kids thrown at him because he's registered. Trust is personal, it doesn't come with a government certificate.

 

[Abraham]

I really hope you said nanny state as a pun

While I agree parents should, and will want to check out any childminding arrangements themselves, I still don't see why we'd want not to have some kind of register for professional childminders. Even if just to prevent people who are on the sex offenders register, people who have mistreated children as a childminder. Those are things a parent can't check, but I'm sure would want checked.

The issue I believe is where do you draw the line, as this article clearly relates to the government not knowing that. Does the teenager from round the corner who babysits for all her mums friends at quite a handsome rate need to be a registered childminder?

 

[Manlove is my forte]

Why? that is ridiculous. if it's your extended family say a niece or something and you give them a bit of money to babysit. They should register. Come on. It is utterly retarded.

Agreed,

I gave my sister £50 to look after my son this weekend gone, to cover her the cost of a days earnings, (as she would have worked instead of looking after my son)

I see no harm in it, I see no reason she should declare it nor have to pay to be a registered child minder.

Further more, what defines child minding? Are children allowed to have play dates anymore or do the parents always have to be in attendance?

This is crass stupidity, just like the thing that came out a few weeks ago where every parent that drove other children's kids to football would need a CRB check. Its Orwellian, its stupid and it seems to me that Ofsted are looking to create work to ensure the existence of their Quango.

 

[Fenris]

Further more, what defines child minding? Are children allowed to have play dates anymore or do the parents always have to be in attendance?

A "Reward" be it monetary or otherwise including reciprocal care.

Your sister does not need to register even IF you pay her, as she is looking after a child related to her.