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We have a fundamental difference of opinion that cannot be resolved.
Children and teens cannot understand the consequences of transitioning
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We have a fundamental difference of opinion that cannot be resolved.
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But there has recently been a massive spike in children identifying as trans. Therefore it does seem more likely that, in some of these kids it is just a phase.
It's 20%. Yes, that is a small minority, but it's also a significant figure. And around 40% attempt suicide afterwards, apparently.
https://sexchangeregret.com/
That fact that there were what, 80+ children who identified as trans in the madcap hotbed of Brighton shows how easily-influenced children are. They need stability and guidance, not to be confused as to what gender they identify as. It's insane.
I'm not COMPLETELY opposed to the concept of people transitioning, nor do I think it should be completely disallowed for younger people. What I take issue with is the apparent complete and utter lack of challenging and readiness to accept that errs on goading.
For me one of the prime examples of this culture is the sheer over-representation of trans people among autistic men, as if being trans is a scapegoat for the feeling that something is wrong with them (I say them but I should mention I am autistic myself). Yet nobody dare challenge them on it, ask them if maybe their feelings have become somewhat misplaced.
Same goes for kids, or even mid teens
For me one of the prime examples of this culture is the sheer over-representation of trans people among autistic men, as if being trans is a scapegoat for the feeling that something is wrong with them (I say them but I should mention I am autistic myself). Yet nobody dare challenge them on it, ask them if maybe their feelings have become somewhat misplaced.
Same goes for kids, or even mid teens
A very small minority of what is already a very small minority feels like a lot more than it would were trans people a common thing
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That is far from a credible website, its published by often debunked far right Christian Walt Heyer. Do you have anything peer reviewed and unbiased to back up your 20% figure?
https://evangelicalfocus.com/life-tech/1736/sex-change-regret-a-reality
Try reading something that isn't nonsense.
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...g-misconceptions-trans-advocates-say-n1102686
0.4% vs 20%.... And I know who I would trust and its not the guy employed by the evangelical far right Heritage Foundation.
No, no I don't. Not at all. And I can't be bothered to look either.
What, "Evangelical Focus" and NBC?
This is exactly why OcUK can be labelled as an extreme right wing forum. Here we have a poster with 15,000 posts who openly admits he doesnt do any reseach and presents a number as 20%, off the back of an extreme right wing evangelical disinformation website, when the real numbers reported are more like 0.4% or 2% if you include a study where parents insisted people change back.
It's more to do with the fact that you and I share a different opinion on this. We are unlikely to convince each other whatever happens. All we will be doing is comparing cherrypicked data to support our own arguments, but if that's "extreme right" to you, then fine.
Honestly I think your choice of words here indicates more than the actual words themselves, in that these are the words of fear. We are talking about a tiny minority of the population but if we continue to stigmatise these people we will continue to see attempted suicide rates of 50% and substance abuse rates of 25%. I mean really we can not leave these people alone in the dark. It is so cruel to fear them, they are no harm to you, they just need help.
It's more to do with the fact that you and I share a different opinion on this. We are unlikely to convince each other whatever happens. All we will be doing is comparing cherrypicked data to support our own arguments, but if that's "extreme right" to you, then fine.
You can have your own opinion, you can't have your own facts.
You're right about this. OK, so I just went and looked at the abstracts for two peer-reviewed papers. I haven't read the full papers, just the abstracts:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-014-0300-8
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J056v05n04_05
One is quite an old paper, 1993, the other is more recent. Both suggest percentages in line with what you stated. So therefore you look to be correct, and I apologise for potentially citing inaccurate information [I still don't think I'm extreme right though
].It doesn't. He was just making a comparison between sexual orientation and sexual identity. In many ways they both develop the same way but they actually have no connection at all. You can be a male in a female body who is straight or gay, or a female in a male body who is straight or gay. In the same way there are even a really tiny number of people who feel like they just are somewhere in-between.
You really do have a chip on your shoulder.
You're right about this. OK, so I just went and looked at the abstracts for two peer-reviewed papers. I haven't read the full papers, just the abstracts:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-014-0300-8
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J056v05n04_05
One is quite an old paper, 1993, the other is more recent. Both suggest percentages in line with what you stated. So therefore you look to be correct, and I apologise for potentially citing inaccurate information [I still don't think I'm extreme right though
Apology accepted, fair play for posting a retraction. You might not be individually, but the forum allows far right information to be spread on here unchecked.
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Love not fear! Hope not hate! Good stuff not bad stuff!
Empty platitudes.
That's what happens when you tell people to celebrate an illness.
your posts are empty of any facts or sources, just pure fear mongering. It’s very sad and an inditement of your understanding of the topic vs your true motivations, just pure cowardice of a progressed future you can’t understand and don’t have power in.
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Right, so we're down to 0.4-2% regretting it?
No one is celebrating anything. It's all about accepting that these things exist and caring about the people who are having to live their life with others rejecting and literally throwing stones at them.. and offering them a little help and the odd cuddle instead. I mean some people in this thread seem to think it is a trendy, fun thing. That is a completely false perception. If you know some of these people, they have been through hell and back. Not just because of the way they feel but the utter rejection they get from the people around them, especially their families. Every single day is hell for them. Call it what you like but if a few pills buys them happiness then why on earth not?
Because for some people, including a lot of people who post on here, their sense of power and self worth comes from putting down others rather than anything they themselves have achieved. If you take away someone that they can’t abuse and bully, under the guise of moral concern or not, you take away their ability to think highly of themselves on something other than their own merit, for which they have nothing to think highly of themselves for, and they realise they are just a bunch of losers.
It wasn’t ok to be racist, that’s one form of power, wasn’t ok to be sexist, wasn’t ok to be homophobic.... soon there will be no more marginalised groups left for these sad people to laud over.
If you know what you're doing and think it's wrong, why do you keep doing it?