Children and teens cannot understand the consequences of transitioning

[FishLicker]

Personally, I would agree there should be an age limit on this sort of thing. I mean technically you're not allowed a tattoo until you're 18, which I think is fine, so the whole concept of going through this sort of mutilation at a young age doesn't seem wise. Kids dont really know their own minds when they're growing up. Christ, I sometimes don't even know my own mind now, and I'm 41, but can say for certain that my brain was a mish mash of confused thoughts and concepts when growing up (and still is!).

This one will likely be controversial, but personally, I don't think the NHS should be wasting money on things like this, or indeed, getting bigger ****, designer vaginas, trout lips and all that other rubbish. For me it's more a mental health issue than anything else. By all means, dress however you want, describe yourself however you want, but if you want another set of bits, daft lips or watermelon boobs then you should pay for it yourself.

 

[Angilion]

Personally, I would agree there should be an age limit on this sort of thing. I mean technically you're not allowed a tattoo until you're 18, which I think is fine, so the whole concept of going through this sort of mutilation at a young age doesn't seem wise. Kids dont really know their own minds when they're growing up. Christ, I sometimes don't even know my own mind now, and I'm 41, but can say for certain that my brain was a mish mash of confused thoughts and concepts when growing up (and still is!).

This one will likely be controversial, but personally, I don't think the NHS should be wasting money on things like this, or indeed, getting bigger ****, designer vaginas, trout lips and all that other rubbish. For me it's more a mental health issue than anything else. By all means, dress however you want, describe yourself however you want, but if you want another set of bits, daft lips or watermelon boobs then you should pay for it yourself.

I disagree with the last bit for cases where the surgery is deemed to be the most effective treatment available at an affordable cost for the mental health issue.

 

[hurfdurf]

If you know what you're doing and think it's wrong, why do you keep doing it?

Pray tell, which marginalised group do I bash purely to make myself feel better?

 

[dowie]

That fact that there were what, 80+ children who identified as trans in the madcap hotbed of Brighton shows how easily-influenced children are. They need stability and guidance, not to be confused as to what gender they identify as. It's insane.

Exactly, it's hardly just gender dysphoria at that point, it's also confusion or just some trendy new idea. "trans" has become broadened to incorporate new identities too - the new "non-binary" thing, they don't necessarily have anything to do with gender dysphoria but might just as well be a political statement on the idea of gender identity... but they're "trans" too now. Ditto to some who might previously have been tomboys, just interested in traditionally male type activities etc.. or perhaps butch lesbians/"dykes" etc... these days a tendency towards masculine gender roles can lead to being trans. Seems to be some overlap with autism too... funnily enough it turns out some top "women" devs at tech firms aren't actually female but are trans-women.

Brighton is a funny one, I mean what a coincidence that all those kids happen to be part of the in-group of woke/trans kids their parents love to celebrate... similarly what a surprise when the children of some Hollywood celebrities turn out to be trans too - look at the woke points Charlie Theron ended up with her adopted African American kids? She even knew one of them was trans at age 3!!! Totally the kid's choice there, it's their genuine identity and no one has pushed any ideas on them that might cause a bunch of mental health issues later in life, just a pure coincidence that yet another Hollywood celeb ended up with a trans kid.

https://www.bravotv.com/personal-space/charlize-theron-how-she-knew-child-jackson-transgender

Charlize Theron says she thought she was raising a little boy, until the then-3-year-old Jackson looked at her and said: "I am not a boy!" From that moment on, the Oscar-winning actress embraced the fact that she was raising a transgender girl.

The school in Brighton, the name "Dorothy" seems a bit ironic here:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...ton-school-gender-fluid-education-transgender

Some 40 children aged between 11 and 16 at Dorothy Stringer High School in Brighton said they did not identify with the gender they were born with, while 36 more said they were "gender fluid".

The announcement was revealed in research by Brighton and Hove City Council's Safe And Well At School Survey.

Also in Brighton - best not call it breast milk anymore...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-terms-like-birthing-parents-human-milk.html

A hospital has told staff to use terms like 'birthing parents' and 'human milk' rather than just referring to 'mothers' and 'breast milk' so transgender people are not offended.
Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals NHS Trust unveiled a blizzard of 'gender inclusive' phrases in a drive to stamp out 'mainstream transphobia'.
The Trust is the first in the country to formally implement such a radical overhaul for its maternity services department - which will now be known as 'perinatal services'.

 

[Skunkworks]

African tans kid, this season's must-have accessory!

 

[antijoke]

Kids believe in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny and a little fairy comes and takes your teeth you left under the pillow and pays you for them...if a parent sows the seed their trans, they’ll believe it themselves.

 

[dowie]

Have censored the word on this one as I think it counts as a swear word on here.... but yes, they're referring to male genitalia:

This sort of thought process seems very weird, there isn't anything straight/heterosexual about a male sucking another male's ****, that's literally same-sex interaction ergo homosexual regardless of gender identity.

This sort of thing seems to stem from some dodgy motte and bailey type position i.e. "trans women are women" - which is a fine statement if you define women to be a reference to gender and the have some loose definition of gender whereby anyone who feels they're female essentially is.... that bit is the motte, it is logically consistent at least and can be easily defended... the problem is that that defensible statement "transwomen are women" is then being applied out of context to some dubious ideas that it is "transphobic" to not want to date a trans person if you're heterosexual...

 

[hurfdurf]

I don't think posting intentional troll baiting posters from Twitter is worth debating, but feel free to froth at the mouth about weirdo's on the internet trying to insist sucking penis isn't gay. Is being attracted to someone who presents female gay? No. Could I get past the whole penis side of things, also no.

 

[FishFluff]

Everyone saying that puberty blockers shouldn't be given to under 18's are completely missing the point. The job of puberty blockers is to give a child more time to make any decision before their body goes through puberty and undergoes permanent changes which, if it turns out they actually are trans, will cause them considerable distress unless they undergo expensive surgery. For someone who might be male to female, that's things like broadening shoulders, voice breaking, growing facial hair, etc. Someone who stops taking puberty blockers will still be able to go through puberty, just at a later date.

Under 18s aren't getting and most likely never will be getting genital surgery. Y'all are getting worked up over something which isn't happening.

 

[Lysander]

Everyone saying that puberty blockers shouldn't be given to under 18's are completely missing the point. The job of puberty blockers is to give a child more time to make any decision before their body goes through puberty and undergoes permanent changes which, if it turns out they actually are trans, will cause them considerable distress unless they undergo expensive surgery. For someone who might be male to female, that's things like broadening shoulders, voice breaking, growing facial hair, etc. Someone who stops taking puberty blockers will still be able to go through puberty, just at a later date.

Under 18s aren't getting and most likely never will be getting genital surgery. Y'all are getting worked up over something which isn't happening.

Isn't the point that none of these things were issues before social media came along?

Kids were absolutely fine and happy doing kid things, and now all of a sudden it's OMG I DON'T KNOW WHAT I IDENTIFY AS AM I INTERSEX OR NON BINARY OR DEMIGIRL

It's the paradox of choice. If you give people two options, it's a lot easier to choose. Give them 20 and everything gets messed up.

 

[Skunkworks]

No. Could I get past the whole penis side of things, also no.

An entire thread of projectile vomiting buzzwords everywhere and it turns out you're a far-right, bigoted, alt-right, homophobe, Ben Shapiro wannabe, transphobe, who's displaying pure cowardice of a progressed future you can’t understand and don’t have power in.

 

[Hagar]

Everyone saying that puberty blockers shouldn't be given to under 18's are completely missing the point. The job of puberty blockers is to give a child more time to make any decision before their body goes through puberty and undergoes permanent changes which, if it turns out they actually are trans, will cause them considerable distress unless they undergo expensive surgery. For someone who might be male to female, that's things like broadening shoulders, voice breaking, growing facial hair, etc. Someone who stops taking puberty blockers will still be able to go through puberty, just at a later date.

Under 18s aren't getting and most likely never will be getting genital surgery. Y'all are getting worked up over something which isn't happening.

Nobody knows the long term effects of having taken puberty blockers. They could really mess with fertility, potency, growth and general health in adult life.

 

[Frubeling]

An entire thread of projectile vomiting buzzwords everywhere and it turns out you're a far-right, bigoted, alt-right, homophobe, Ben Shapiro wannabe, transphobe, who's displaying pure cowardice of a progressed future you can’t understand and don’t have power in.

Damn, not sucking dingaling makes you all those things?
Also you whinge about buzzword vomiting and then immediately do a roll call of your own

 

[Lysander]

Damn, not sucking dingaling makes you all those things?
Also you whinge about buzzword vomiting and then immediately do a roll call of your own

The point is that these were words and expressions that hurfdurf was using. It's supposed to be ironic.

 

[dowie]

I don't think posting intentional troll baiting posters from Twitter is worth debating, but feel free to froth at the mouth about weirdo's on the internet trying to insist sucking penis isn't gay. Is being attracted to someone who presents female gay? No. Could I get past the whole penis side of things, also no.

She isn't a troll baiting poster, she's a trans rights activist and most of the replies are in agreement with it.

You can try to pretend it's just some weirdos but this is the state of a bunch of trans rights activists, they've taken the "trans women are women" argument beyond a statement about gender and into some universal position whereby the logical conclusion, to them, is then that a straight male or lesbian female are transphobic if they don't want some lady penis... This completely erases the notion of same-sex attraction for gay people for example, essentially denies their existence and replaces their sexuality with some vague theoretical notions of gender. This is part of why some lesbian feminists have a big ideological difference with some trans rights advocates and why a bunch of them get screamed at and called "TERFs".

You've then conflated this with "traps", people who have been able to (sort of) pass as a member of the opposite sex and someone being attracted to them, problem is that attraction is based in part on deception and can quickly disappear once the full facts emerge.

Attraction is multifaceted even on a purely physical level - suppose you spot a pretty girl in a bar but then upon approaching her she opens her mouth to reveal some crooked yellow teeth and bad breath, you're not longer attracted to them. Perhaps a former morbidly obese person loses 10 stone and is now a skinny looking person albeit with very saggy boobs and a load of excess skin, they could look very attractive in a dark bar when wearing a long-sleeved top and trousers to cover up all that sagging skin but much less so if undressed. Likewise, a "trap" with a ton of makeup and a well-posed photo or in a dark bar might look attractive to a straight male or lesbian female, but that initial attraction based on limited information can soon be undone.

 

[Frubeling]

The point is that these were words and expressions that hurfdurf was using. It's supposed to be ironic.

Maybe I should have gone to bed earlier

 

[dowie]

Everyone saying that puberty blockers shouldn't be given to under 18's are completely missing the point. The job of puberty blockers is to give a child more time to make any decision before their body goes through puberty and undergoes permanent changes which, if it turns out they actually are trans, will cause them considerable distress unless they undergo expensive surgery. For someone who might be male to female, that's things like broadening shoulders, voice breaking, growing facial hair, etc. Someone who stops taking puberty blockers will still be able to go through puberty, just at a later date.

Under 18s aren't getting and most likely never will be getting genital surgery. Y'all are getting worked up over something which isn't happening.

I think you're missing the point here tbh.. they're not some magical pill that just puts life on hold for a bit and can then be resumed with no consequences, there are risks to taking them - it's not just some neutral option that some seem to have presented it as, as if stunting someone's growth/puberty etc.. is a totally passive thing to do.... thus the court case and resulting decision.

 

[Lysander]

Maybe I should have gone to bed earlier

Haha maybe

 

[Skunkworks]

She isn't a troll baiting poster, she's a trans rights activist and most of the replies are in agreement with it.

I wonder how many of these social media activists are actually foreign agents. The West’s enemies must be rolling on the floor laughing at the state of our societies.

 

[Angilion]

Pray tell, which marginalised group do I bash purely to make myself feel better?

Any that's a fashionable target, of course. Which is probably why you've now added the word 'marginalised', a word that wasn't in your post that I replied to. That's part of the "justification". Define group identities (which is the belief that "they're all the same" with an extremely superficial rebranding for publicity purposes) and impose them on everyone, then define which group identities it's good to target and which ones it's bad to target by using simple labels such as 'privileged' and 'marginalised'.