It's been absolutely horrible so far, please no more.
China Coup???
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That's the thing, the inner workings of the CCP are pretty secret, if there were a coup then it's quite plausible it would initially start with things like news blackouts, flights being canceled, unexplained absence of the head of state etc.
He could have annoyed some other high-ranking officials by staying on longer than he should have or over any number of issues like the current Covid response (harsh lockdowns rather than increased vaccinations), diplomacy re: Russia and the risky situation in Ukraine, issues re: Taiwan - did some ultra-nationalists hope to have started some sort of military action there already or conversely could some more liberal types want to kick him out?
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The (in a vague general sense) OSINT community seems to think it is an attempt by some random to promote their Twitter/YouTube channel. Though there are some oddities but nothing which would typically align with a coup. Possible there was an attempted coup and someone jumped the gun and/or tried to engineer it by cheerleading events along and failed.
Depends who it is and who supports them - there are some rich Chinese who are much more West leaning and lately fallen out with the Chinese government and more hardline military or political figures who may believe Xi isn't being hard enough, etc.
Not really seeing anything which suggest a coup though - some irregularities in transport and government schedules - but there is also ongoing public events which are more likely explanations for them.
Not really seeing anything which suggest a coup though - some irregularities in transport and government schedules - but there is also ongoing public events which are more likely explanations for them.
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He’s positioned himself as the creator of the economic growth of china. Thus whilst the country is economically climbing to rival the US, he has political power. The military don't control the party, they are part of the of the party, and taking the party hostage by force would immediately be a deathwish. I agree that there is growing pressure by a stronger military that’s got new toys they want to play with. That desire to go to war and increase their political priority is given by assuming a hardline stance. I guess the ukraine war has a number of bored military having wet dreams fighting and then parading aroung like cockerels with new shiny self important badges of honour that boost political status - just like roman conquests and the returning generals.
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The Chinese economy might be portrayed as being strong but in reality it's about as stable as Chinese steel and concrete, i.e. it's a very real possibility that it'll come crashing down very quickly and without warning. There are already riots in Chinese cities because people can't access their life's saving due to the banks simply stealing the money and saying them 'tough ****'. Then there's the rampant corruption involved at all levels, siphoning money out of the government and into private coffers. You just look into how those 'ghost cities' are financed and built to see the scale of the problem, and that's just one area of industry.
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It seems like the sacrificial lamb for the 20th CCP National Conference has been picked and the unlucky winner is Deputy Police & Justice Minister Sun Lijun, who has been given a suspended death sentence (commuted to just life imprisonment with no parole) for corruption in accepting upto £91 million in bribes.
The Nation Conference happens every 5 years and before every one a single "high profile" minister is picked to be thrown to the wolves to show the "common people" that the CCP takes it's job of ensuring they are morally clean very seriously, when everyone knows it's actually just a show trial of a single "low profile" unlucky person with almost no basis in truth most of the time and is only done as an act of theatre rather than as a way to keep the ministers away from corruption.
www.independent.co.uk
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www.theguardian.com
The Nation Conference happens every 5 years and before every one a single "high profile" minister is picked to be thrown to the wolves to show the "common people" that the CCP takes it's job of ensuring they are morally clean very seriously, when everyone knows it's actually just a show trial of a single "low profile" unlucky person with almost no basis in truth most of the time and is only done as an act of theatre rather than as a way to keep the ministers away from corruption.
Former Chinese deputy police minister sentenced for graft
A former deputy police minister who was accused of leading a crime gang of government officials has received a death sentence with a two-year reprieve on charges of manipulating the stock market, taking bribes and other offenses
www.independent.co.uk
Death penalty commuted to life for China’s ex-security chief
Former deputy security minister Sun Lijun received 646 million yuan ($91m) in bribes between 2001 and 2020.
China’s former justice minister faces life in prison amid purge of security officials
Fu Zhenghua, who had led several high-profile investigations into corruption, was accused of accepting bribes
www.theguardian.com
It seems like the sacrificial lamb for the 20th CCP National Conference has been picked and the unlucky winner is Deputy Police & Justice Minister Sun Lijun, who has been given a suspended death sentence (commuted to just life imprisonment with no parole) for corruption in accepting upto £91 million in bribes.
The Nation Conference happens every 5 years and before every one a single "high profile" minister is picked to be thrown to the wolves to show the "common people" that the CCP takes it's job of ensuring they are morally clean very seriously, when everyone knows it's actually just a show trial of a single "low profile" unlucky person with almost no basis in truth most of the time and is only done as an act of theatre rather than as a way to keep the ministers away from corruption.
Former Chinese deputy police minister sentenced for graft
A former deputy police minister who was accused of leading a crime gang of government officials has received a death sentence with a two-year reprieve on charges of manipulating the stock market, taking bribes and other offenses
Death penalty commuted to life for China’s ex-security chief
Former deputy security minister Sun Lijun received 646 million yuan ($91m) in bribes between 2001 and 2020.
China’s former justice minister faces life in prison amid purge of security officials
Fu Zhenghua, who had led several high-profile investigations into corruption, was accused of accepting bribes
So basically the CCP is admitting that they accept they have 20 high-profile corrupt party members operating concurrently over 20 years. That if you apply logic and a even probability and find one a year and then state they have been operating over 20 years..
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As mentioned, the congress is once every 5 years so the 1st once was way back in 1921, hence this one being seen as a much bigger/more important one than usual. As with most things Chinese it's the internal optics of the event (arresting a party member) which are more important than the actual arrest itself, as it forms a way of the CCP being able to tell is citizens - "look, we will punish crime when we find it, irrespective of who commits it" - when the reality is that a single person takes the wrap, the crime continues and both the CCP and the people all turn a blind-eye, mostly to protect themselves from being the next one chosen (for ministers) or being disappeared (for citizens).
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ok.. so only 4 in parallel that have been operating for 20 years..
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XII is rumoured to replace XI.
At first I thought it said Chicken Coop
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Xi back in public today
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China's Xi reemerges after trip abroad quashing unfounded 'coup' rumors | CNN
Chinese leader Xi Jinping has made his first public appearance since returning from a trip to Central Asia, quashing unfounded rumors of a "coup" that sparked a frenzy of speculation ahead of a key Communist Party meeting.
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