But they don't, thats the issue, they still think it's wrong and it'll cost millions and it detracts from the sport etc etc.
Chinese GP 2009 - Race 3/17
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But they don't, thats the issue, they still think it's wrong and it'll cost millions and it detracts from the sport etc etc.
Soldato
Well, even if they think that there is no point for them to keep saying it, the appeals court decided and that is it.But they don't, thats the issue, they still think it's wrong and it'll cost millions and it detracts from the sport etc etc.
They have three options, either do nothing, change the diffuser or stop with F1
If they don't want this kind of thing they need to start a A1 team where all the cars are the same.
Oh and Briatore should be shot in the face with a dear slug.
Don
The thing is that F1 is full of mis-information! I think its designed to give ammunition to the casual F1 fans.
When team bosses come out and say these things, its becomes "truth" to some extent with a large part of the F1 fanbase.
When team bosses come out and say these things, its becomes "truth" to some extent with a large part of the F1 fanbase.
Soldato
they still had flat bottoms so could run the car mm's off the ground. and they look harder to drive because they are on full fuel loads to last a whole race.
doesnt look any harder than today, its just the track is so bumpy.
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I think its time Chris Dyer took over
Well he's getting closer:
James Allen (on his blog) said:
Soldato
Which isn't exactly much help in torrential rain....hence the carnage at Adelaide in '91.
Soldato
Who was fastest in P2? Where are the Toyota's.
Currently at work. Cant view all the times and what not.
Currently at work. Cant view all the times and what not.
Friday Practice 2 Times
1 Jenson Button (Brawn Mercedes) 1:35.679
2 Nico Rosberg (Williams Toyota) +0.025
3 Rubens Barrichello (Brawn Mercedes) +0.202
4 Mark Webber (Red Bull Renault) +0.426
5 Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull Renault) +0.488
6 Jarno Trulli (Toyota) +0.538
7 Kazuki Nakajima (Williams Toyota) +0.698
8 Timo Glock (Toyota) +0.869
9 Heikki Kovalainen (Mclaren Mercedes) +0.995
10 Sebastien Bourdais (Toro Rosso Ferrari) +1.121
11 Adrian Sutil (Force India Mercedes) +1.150
12 Felipe Massa (Ferrari) +1.168
13 Lewis Hamilton (Mclaren Mercedes) +1.262
14 Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari) +1.375
15 Sebastien Buemi (Toro Rosso Ferrari) +1.540
16 Nelson Piquet (Renault) +1.594
17 Robert Kubica (BMW Sauber) +1.812
18 Nick Heidfeld (BMW Sauber) +1.865
19 Fernando Alonso (Renault) +1.959
20 Giancarlo Fisichella (Force India Mercedes) +2.071
Soldato
Back then they had the option to do full setup changes before the race did they not? couldnt they have just raised the car? A stepped bottom like on todays cars is worse in a sense because the water flows around the plank making it hard to change direction, unless the whole car is floating.
im not sure what we are tryin to debate here anymore. Aussy 91 was stopped due to rain, as was Malaysia 2009. Why are we trying to compare the two? Both were stopped. So why say they are real men and todays stars aint?
Hmmm pretty inconclusive on the McLaren comeback...
I do think its all about Brawn and RBR this year...
ps3ud0
Soldato
I'm not saying anything of the sort. I just don't happen to think the cars in '91 were particularly easy to drive compared with the current crop (and the current ones aren't exactly easy to drive either, if they were then every bugger would be doing it!)
Soldato
I'm not saying anything of the sort. I just don't happen to think the cars in '91 were particularly easy to drive compared with the current crop (and the current ones aren't exactly easy to drive either, if they were then every bugger would be doing it!)
you joined mid point of a convo. It was kinda a question aimed at the other guy.
i never said they was easier to drive, i just said they wasnt any harder. If it was easy it wouldnt be F1.
its comments like that that make me laugh. 10x harder to drive than todays? get real!
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go watch some of the compares of senna vs modern day drivers....
todays cars cruise around like they are on a sunday drive compared to the amount of work in the cockpit in the older cars yet they didnt all cry at the slightest bit of rain or that the perfect daylight had faded.
you do realise why the older cars were refered to as drivers cars right? because the driver had a much more impact on the performance compared to todays cars where they are designed to be as easy as possible to drive and much more forgiving.
todays drivers would probably cry if they had to take one hand of the steering wheel to change gear complaining its to dangerous
Soldato
erm ok.
Sunday Cruise? when was the last time you watched F1? 1991? I seem to remember Senna, Prost, Mansell and lots other other drivers "crying" when it was raining in Austrailia and monaco one year, and Prost used to cry a lot about everything, so yes, classic F1 drivers didnt Cry
Much more Forgiving? When? When they hit walls? Due to F1 cars being so safe these days theres very little fear so drivers push closer and closer to the edge. Go over that edge and thats it your off. Nothing Forgiving about that. Classic era drivers drove as fast as there balls allowed them, and often far off from the "edge". Thats why Drivers like Senna and Villenuve did so well they danced on the edge and sadly paid the price.
Arknor, WHERE did i say classic F1 was Easy compared to today? All i was saying is classic f1 is no way 10x HARDER. They are totally different era's, totally different styles. If we brought 91 cars to the race tomorrow, all the drivers would struggle, and the same the other way around infact id say 91 drivers would crash 2009 cars before 2009 drivers crash 91s cars.
But anyway what the hell as this got to do with China?
Senna's life was cut short and im not going into debating his skills, but Michael Schumacher was a Better driver the Senna (of coarse we never got to see Senna evolve into new cars)
Sunday Cruise? when was the last time you watched F1? 1991? I seem to remember Senna, Prost, Mansell and lots other other drivers "crying" when it was raining in Austrailia and monaco one year, and Prost used to cry a lot about everything, so yes, classic F1 drivers didnt Cry
Much more Forgiving? When? When they hit walls? Due to F1 cars being so safe these days theres very little fear so drivers push closer and closer to the edge. Go over that edge and thats it your off. Nothing Forgiving about that. Classic era drivers drove as fast as there balls allowed them, and often far off from the "edge". Thats why Drivers like Senna and Villenuve did so well they danced on the edge and sadly paid the price.
Arknor, WHERE did i say classic F1 was Easy compared to today? All i was saying is classic f1 is no way 10x HARDER. They are totally different era's, totally different styles. If we brought 91 cars to the race tomorrow, all the drivers would struggle, and the same the other way around infact id say 91 drivers would crash 2009 cars before 2009 drivers crash 91s cars.
But anyway what the hell as this got to do with China?
Soldato
arknor - I'm pretty sure that most of the current crop of drivers would actually cope with a manual gearchange after a bit of practice. That's why they get paid the big bucks.
Soldato
Look at a steering wheel today and from '91, totally different.
in '91 they had to do the shifting but today they have to change the front wing angle, activate KERS, change brake balance, change fuel mixture, etc....
And wasn't there a time where F1 cars had automatic downshifting?
Soldato
not exactly hard is it, i mean they do it in the road cars fine....
if anything its the engineers/designers that would whine about that one more than the drivers. Would need wider cockpits (to fit gear lever), stronger gear box, and the engine might need tunning so the gears could be longer so they dont have to change as often etc.
Drivers wouldnt care, i mean they still do it in IRL/CART fine dont they? (aint watched it for a few years now).
they had fully automatic gearbox's by 92/93 i believe, so maybe 2009s cars ARE harder than classic era F1 because they have to change gear?
Well after reading this Im astounded at the driver that is LH. Ron (whatever he might be like) hand plucked this kid from the dumps, put him through an education (well enough to be able to speak proper english) and made him a World Champion, this is what Lewis gives him in return. Shocking behaviour.
To quote Ross Brawn, he used this to describe Monotoya (quite appropriate for that chump) he has absolutely 'no class.'
To quote Ross Brawn, he used this to describe Monotoya (quite appropriate for that chump) he has absolutely 'no class.'
Martin Brundle took out the RB4 last year and found it quite a challenge.
“Stowe Corner – about 150mph on the way in, loads of grip,” he said as he sped round.
“Sixth, even seventh gear over the hill into Vale.
“Incredible brakes… I’m putting the brakes on half as hard as Webber and Coulthard do in this car – I just can’t push hard enough!”
Full article http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=Martin_Brundle&id=43190
“Stowe Corner – about 150mph on the way in, loads of grip,” he said as he sped round.
“Sixth, even seventh gear over the hill into Vale.
“Incredible brakes… I’m putting the brakes on half as hard as Webber and Coulthard do in this car – I just can’t push hard enough!”
Full article http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=Martin_Brundle&id=43190