Chinese Grand Prix 2015, Shanghai - Race 3/19

And the best thing the surviving Red Bull could do was to finish up in a Sauber Sandwich for 9th place and 2 points?

Would have loved to hear how Horner explained that to the Austrians...
 
Its a shame you can't zoom in on the comparison chart on F1 Fanatic...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/04/13/hamilton-was-quickest-in-china-when-he-needed-to-be/

Turning off everyone else so its just the Merc boys, and being able to zoom in to see on a lap per lap basis would tell you if Rosberg was indeed being slowed down by Lewis. Effectively the chart would show that they were doing pretty much the same times for each lap, showing that Rosberg wasn't able to go any faster due to dirty air, and plus the moments when he wasn't behind Lewis would show true speed, so if he was doing times that match Lewis or faster, then you can accept his comments.

Also, the fact that Brundle has come to Rosbergs rescue and come out and said that F1 needs to sort out the dirty air issue, kind of also says that it is a problem.

Still though, doesn't stop the fact that Lewis was well within his right to go at whatever speed he wants. F1 drivers may make out that they are team drivers, but the fact is, that they are in it for themselves.
 
Sat watching the highlights now on skyf1. This is even boring me ****less...

Really have lost interest in F1 now :(... Post race press conference is the most exciting thing about F1 for me now, seeing Nico cry has always been funny though.

Vettels face was a picture to :p
 
Merlin5 said:
Why was Kimi complaining over the radio about getting McLaren out of the way, was he expecting them to do something or just complaining out loud for the sake of it?

And how does Maldonaldo still have a seat in F1 when he's the most incompetent driver of all of them.
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As someone else said, it's pretty normal for guys lapping others to get on the radio and talk to Charlie basically saying make sure they get the blue flags out early. Even more so when a driver is chasing down the guy in front as Kimi was.

FrankJH said:
Well you - and many others- have said for years its virtually impossible to overtake the same car , hell even a different car, with conditions like yesterday in the current F1.

Merc had a tyre issue yesterday, and getting to within a 1s - 1.5s of Hamilton would have stopped him from even getting 2nd (due to the tyres not lasting)
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Merc had NO tire issue, tire life gets a bit worse behind cars, Rosberg's problem is that if he got closer he would lose tire life AND have no chance at Hamilton. It's not impossible or even virtually impossible for one car to over take another. Vettel/Riccy over took each other constantly, Hamilton got past Rosberg almost every time at a multitude of different tracks.

How bad were Hamilton's tires at brazil tucked up behind Rosberg... Rosberg pitted and Hamilton went even faster at the end of a stint. What is often impossible is for a slower driver in the same car to overtake the faster driver. More equal drivers, Riccy/Vettel, they got at each other last year and both managed to get by multiple times. Hamilton is just too much better than Rosberg, nothing to do with tires, nothing to do with being in the same car, one guy slower than the other.

As for stopping Rosberg getting 2nd, even if Vettel jumped him in the pits he had a significantly faster car. Either Merc getting stuck behind Ferrari would have been no contest. Merc were cruising for all three stints, Ferrari ONLY cruised in the final stint, they backed off the same as Merc had all race and were almost 15 seconds down. Merc were 1 + second a lap faster here. 1-2 was never in doubt unless reliability hit.

I'll once again point out that, one, these engines have done 3 races one of them in extreme conditions, at the point in the season they will offer the least reliability and two... there was absolutely nothing stopping Rosberg backing off into Vettel. Vettel was maintaining a gap behind Rosberg the same way Rosberg was maintaining a safety gap to Hamilton. vettel never threatened Rosberg, Rosberg is just being a whiny little *****. If he backed into Vettel he could have created a 5 second gap then before pitting do 2-3 laps Vettel couldn't match and leave himself complete safe from the under cut. The issue is that Hamilton saw a way to save his tires AND his engine, Rosberg could literally see Hamilton doing this.... but failed to see that he could and actually SHOULD have been doing the same to Vettel.

If Rosberg did what Hamilton did, Rosberg would have a fresher engine for the next two races and less chance of an engine failure. Who was thinking about the team, protecting his 25 points for the team, his tires, his engine... Hamilton. Who wasn't smart enough to back off and save his car... Rosberg. Rosberg who by the by also talked about how his plan was all about attacking Hamilton at the end of the race... why wasn't he thinking about the team and solidifying second place? He was maintaining that gap to Hamilton for the sole reason of risking the 1-2 at the end of the race.

leaskovski said:
Sounds perfectly reasonable as to what Rosberg is moaning about with LH.

He is well within his right to moan about the situation. Its just like every other year where one driver bitches about another driver for screwing his race over. Doesn't suprise me that the forum would say that Ros is throwing a paddy, given that last year we were saying the same about Lewis.

They are just drivers wanting to win, of course they are gonna whine like a child if it doesn't go their way. Thats what F1 drivers do.
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When did Hamilton have a go at Rosberg over such similar things? Do you remember Hamilton basically downplaying the Monaco incident, downplaying the Canada incident, downplaying the Malaysia qualifying only in the last race? Hamilton hasn't whined even 1/50th of what Rosberg has... and Rosberg is the one who has consistently done dodgy things over the past year, not Hamilton.
 
leaskovski said:
Also, the fact that Brundle has come to Rosbergs rescue and come out and said that F1 needs to sort out the dirty air issue, kind of also says that it is a problem.

Still though, doesn't stop the fact that Lewis was well within his right to go at whatever speed he wants. F1 drivers may make out that they are team drivers, but the fact is, that they are in it for themselves.
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There is no dirty air issue, as the previous post. If dirty air was such a fundamentally huge issue... why can Hamilton pass Rosberg at will? How did Ricciardo get Vettel repeatedly and Vettel take Ricciardo some times. How did Hamilton manage to follow in Rosberg's dirty air within a second yet go longer on his tires and use less fuel.

Regardless of dirty air... slower/less good drivers will consistently struggle to pass faster or better drivers... such is any sport.

Rosberg is fundamentally slower than Hamilton and unable to pass him, he's getting more and more frustrated and he's reacting more and more but it's not Hamilton's issue. He's also frustrated because he's done one of two things, either nothing and Hamilton just improved his qualifying a bit and is making it almost impossible for him to get a chance to lead, or he adjusted his set up a bit to lose time in qualifying but maybe offer him more race pace... if he tried that he's getting frustrated because it's not helped him.
 
Hasn't Rosberg only just started moaning about Hamilton? I thought at the end of last season he was basically saying that Lewis won fair and square? Have I missed something?

I dunno, maybe I just have it in for Lewis ever since he played the race card. :confused:
 
leaskovski said:
Hasn't Rosberg only just started moaning about Hamilton? I thought at the end of last season he was basically saying that Lewis won fair and square? Have I missed something?

I dunno, maybe I just have it in for Lewis ever since he played the race card. :confused:
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Lewis won it more than 'fair and square' after all the antics Rosberg got away with last season :rolleyes:

As for this race, I can't tell if these pictures are getting shopped or if Rosberg is actually that miserable;

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Other observations - The dude with the blue bear coming out of his shoulder is scary and there are some bad teeth in the world of motorsport.
 
Shimmy said:
Ferrari race smart and mind games by Vettel targeting Nico?
Another good read from Mr Buxton.

https://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/2015/04/13/against-all-odds/
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Buxton, a good read, that entire article screams of a man who hasn't got a clue what he's talking about.

First Rosberg's mental fragility cost him the world title? Not being thoroughly out raced on every occasion by a better driver... apparently mental fragility(where, when he calculatedly cheated or when everyone was calling him smart last year) cost him the title. This is a sign the man hasn't got a clue what he's talking about.

Secondly, because of a multi 21 situation... he thinks Vettel whispered something in Rosberg's ear that "set him off"... utter twaddle.

Even his reading of the strategy, nonsense. Ferrari were MILES down in Q1 on the mediums and miles down in Q3 on the softs, this is the pace we saw in the race AND the pace we saw in Fp2 on the long runs. Ferrari can read FP2 times more than as well as me and completely full well knew they both didn't have a magically media made up tire deg advantage and could see the performance gap.

His idea of how the race runs only works if ferrari absolutely knew they could go longer on both tires, but their pace never once showed this, no data from any session showed that, it showed the opposite, Merc with superior tire deg and superior speed.

As for the whole who could guess Ferrari were going to be good... well who could predict Merc were going to be improved in 2013 and great in 2014... everyone? You have technical staff who weren't performing... you fire them and bring in technical staff who WERE performing at other teams... shock horror, your team suddenly appears to have technical staff working well. Unpredictable or... predictable as hell?

Ferrari's engine guy stated on the record that they underestimated ERS... he was booted, Ferrari brought in Merc's ERS expert... Ferrari's ERS goes from categorically worse to pretty damn close to Merc, again unpredictable or VERY predictable. Teams have done this for years, have crap tires, bring in the tire expert from a team doing well with tires, your fuel isn't good, bring in fuel expert from team where it is working(Ferrari did that too). Ferrari strategy not great, bring in Lotus's strategy guy, get strategy uptick. Ferrari development not going great, Lotus making huge strides, bring in Allison, see similar success at Ferrari.

F1 is a pretty damn predictable sport. Honda, regardless of talent, tried to engineer an engine in 18 months when Ferrari/Renault took 2.5 years and Merc took 3-3.5 years.... and have nothing close to the reliability or speed in the same time frame... absolutely 100% expected.
 
Rybo89 said:
DM, does your keyboard have any letters left on the keys? :p
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He often has some good knowledgeable stuff to post, but the sheer volume of text often leaves me thinking "**** that" and just skip by his posts.

DM, work on being more concise! Quality, not quantity.
 
I do sometimes wonder if maybe these forum members should be FIA approved media instead of the real world as we seem to like to put the real press down quite a bit here.
 
leaskovski said:
I do sometimes wonder if maybe these forum members should be FIA approved media instead of the real world as we seem to like to put the real press down quite a bit here.
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What do you think most of the FIA approved media have as qualifications, or news reporters? Ted has, iirc, exactly no qualifications in regards to motorsport at all, most of these guys get into it by simple following it and pushing for a job, nothing more or less. Mostly Ted and co are presenters, like most guys on the news, they aren't experts just people who push in that career direction.

Take 10 guys, give them an FIA pass, ask them to write a story on the goings on of the weekend, they'll all have a different view point, it's no different to how it is now. Just guys who decide they want to be reporters in F1 go and make it happen, it doesn't make them extra qualified or infallible.

Seriously anyone who posts the utter tripe that is Rosberg's mental fragility lost him the championship is just an idiot, it's that simple. Hamilton is by a significant margin the faster driver, Rosberg was gifted a lead through reliability, not better driving. He didn't magically give up the title through mental fatigue or being fragile, he wasn't the better driver at the start, the middle or the end of the season.

Would you assume I was perfectly accurate if I had an FIA pass? Was there anything preventing me becoming an member of the press other than the fact I didn't want to be one? People chose a career, then follow it, that doesn't mean they have more knowledge or better skills and there are stupid people out there in every industry at every level... welcome to life.

I would also maybe point out that the precise pace I didn't predict, but physically saw in the FP2 times, was exactly what bore out in qualifying and the race. While Buxton amongst many other pundits and tv guys were harping on about Ferrari having better tire life and were going to have longer stints, that Merc were going to have to use two sets of mediums while Ferrari could use two sets of softs no problem... a LOT of the medium made such claims with the same information I had... who was bang on and who was embarrassingly wrong?
 
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Captain Planet said:
He often has some good knowledgeable stuff to post, but the sheer volume of text often leaves me thinking "**** that" and just skip by his posts.

DM, work on being more concise! Quality, not quantity.
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I'm afraid it's all quality as well... not much I can do about that ;)

Thing is the Buxton story was one, long, and two kept making points without any explanation or proof. Rosberg lost the title through metal fragility..... then he posted how many stories or ideas to back up his point? None at all. He could at least have said along the lines of... as shown by the mistakes at Monza... except we'd be able to easily point out that Hamilton has passed Rosberg time and time again and was gaining on him hand over fist. Rosberg locked up and likely because he was under pressure, though I suspect it might be because he was encouraged to give up the lead after Spa, maybe he wanted to make it look obvious he was gifting it to Hamilton rather than be embarrassed on track.. again. But Hamilton had that race all day long regardless.

People who just make a statement, he's wrong, or Rosberg's weak mentality, or it was Rosberg's to lose, without a single statement to explain why they think that, same as posting on here. A statement without any reason is pointless and boring. A statement with reasoning can lead to a good discussion, without reasoning it's just a bunch of people shouting their opinion at each other going no where.
 
Rybo89 said:
DM, does your keyboard have any letters left on the keys? :p
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Actually my old keyboards was always fine, the older MS naturals which I loved, I have one of the newer MS natural pro things(all black one) and some of the keys have rubbed off. W, S, A, D, E, C, V and Shift all gone :p

Gamer for life yo ;)

haha, didn't even really notice, M is starting to go.... RPG player for life... stupid map checking all the time :p
 
drunkenmaster said:
What do you think most of the FIA approved media have as qualifications, or news reporters? Ted has, iirc, exactly no qualifications in regards to motorsport at all, most of these guys get into it by simple following it and pushing for a job, nothing more or less. Mostly Ted and co are presenters, like most guys on the news, they aren't experts just people who push in that career direction.

Take 10 guys, give them an FIA pass, ask them to write a story on the goings on of the weekend, they'll all have a different view point, it's no different to how it is now. Just guys who decide they want to be reporters in F1 go and make it happen, it doesn't make them extra qualified or infallible.

Seriously anyone who posts the utter tripe that is Rosberg's mental fragility lost him the championship is just an idiot, it's that simple. Hamilton is by a significant margin the faster driver, Rosberg was gifted a lead through reliability, not better driving. He didn't magically give up the title through mental fatigue or being fragile, he wasn't the better driver at the start, the middle or the end of the season.

Would you assume I was perfectly accurate if I had an FIA pass? Was there anything preventing me becoming an member of the press other than the fact I didn't want to be one? People chose a career, then follow it, that doesn't mean they have more knowledge or better skills and there are stupid people out there in every industry at every level... welcome to life.

I would also maybe point out that the precise pace I didn't predict, but physically saw in the FP2 times, was exactly what bore out in qualifying and the race. While Buxton amongst many other pundits and tv guys were harping on about Ferrari having better tire life and were going to have longer stints, that Merc were going to have to use two sets of mediums while Ferrari could use two sets of softs no problem... a LOT of the medium made such claims with the same information I had... who was bang on and who was embarrassingly wrong?
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Please, sack your day job off and go and write for the press then... that is, unless you already do? :p

I would expect the main stream reporters, such as Will Buxton, would know their stuff being that they have worked the industry (motor sports media) for a good period of time, that's why I am quite amazed at your willingness to dismiss him.

I'm not saying I don't agree with you though. I'm not trying to start an argument with you, I am just taken a back at the level of cussing handed out to WB.
 
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