Chinese Grand Prix 2016, Shanghai - Race 3/21

SS-89 said:
You are joking right? Did you not watch Kimi's lap, that last hairpin was horrific...he didn't improve from his first run for a reason wheras ric and rosberg both improved massively.
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Quite a strange situation really, what often happens is both drivers do a run on used tires then a fresh run, that is why most drivers improve on the second run. Ricciardo did exactly that, Rosberg did two runs on fresh tires as did Kimi, vettel only used one run for Q3 using fresh tires. Rosberg was just sandbaging the first lap, Kimi was on the edge for both.


Meh, people just call it wrong all the time. For 3 years(at least) Merc have done all testing in FP2 on full fuel, they were behind at the last race in Fp2 iirc both in fastest times and long runs yet they came out and whacked Ferrari. They've done this for years, Ferrari and most teams use FP2 to test a balanced setup with mid or low fuel runs(as in 2nd or 3rd stint levels) while Merc always go max fuel and saving engine power.

Every single race is the same, Merc basically focus on worst case scenario pace while most other teams work on much lower fuel and appear faster than they are relative to Merc. Yet every single new Fp2 people ignore that and get excited about Ferrari pace only to be let down in qualifying/race.

Ferrari lost time in the hairpin but it's bad to presume they didn't screw up the hairpin because they took too much out of the tires. So maybe another lap they get the hairpin right by taking less out of the tires in the first two sectors, so gain half a second in S3 by saving 2/10ths in each of the first two sectors to leave tire life for the end. It's also fairly naive to presume Rosberg went as fast as he possibly could. the only guy with a car that could come within 3/10ths of him wasn't in Q3, so he could easily have run a lower engine mode to save a little engine life for a more difficult qualifying session.
 
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Going to be easy default win for Rosberg tomorrow. He will walk this season. Hamilton not interested or good enough and rest of the pack not competitive enough.
 
Rosberg gonna be on 75 and if Hamilton can somehow scrape a 3rd then he will be on 47.

Rosberg having a DNF in his pocket after 3 races is pretty brutal.
 
Skeeter said:
I know that.

My point is all the media has been hyping this up as a weekend when Ferrari will dominate Mercedes, but when it comes down to the crunch, yet again Mercedes are in front, and on a tyre strategy that should be an easy win.

We shouldnt keep getting our hopes up :(
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The media are terrible, ferrari are behind mercedes in qualifying. I'd say 3-5 tenths depending on track. Supposedly that should narrow in coming races once they fix the underlying flaw in the turbo which is supposedly coming for russia but they'll still be behind.

Regardless the tyre strategies tomorrow should be intriguing. In a way hamilton fighting from the back should be a more entertaining spectacle.
 
SS-89 said:
Not if he DNF's tommorow and hamilton gets third :p
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Very unlikely. More chance of a hammy DNF. Hammilton has lost interest in F1 I think, his mind is else where.

I think Hamilton should go really slow wait for Rosberg to lap him and take him out. might be worth watching then.
 
Locky said:
Going to be easy default win for Rosberg tomorrow. He will walk this season. Hamilton not interested or good enough and rest of the pack not competitive enough.
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Er, What?

Hamilton's been faster than Rosberg all the way through this season but has had bad luck and poor starts. And how do you blame a broken gearbox and engine on Hamilton not being good enough :confused:?
 
Skeeter said:
Er, What?

Hamilton's been faster than Rosberg all the way through this season but has had bad luck and poor starts. And how do you blame a broken gearbox and engine on Hamilton not being good enough :confused:?
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That's what I'm wondering, I'm not a hamilton fan but he's been extremely quick and had some bad starts and luck.
 
Skeeter said:
Er, What?

Hamilton's been faster than Rosberg all the way through this season but has had bad luck and poor starts. And how do you blame a broken gearbox and engine on Hamilton not being good enough :confused:?
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Maybe not broken parts but the poor starts ARE down to him not being good enough.
 
I do think the stars are aligning for Rosberg but 2014 was much harder for Lewis. But he did get off to a better start. Who knows, I guess it makes it interesting
 
Locky you spout some right excrement, what complete unsubstantiated garbage. He's had a couple of bad starts and a couple of mechanicals, all of a sudden he's given up on life? get a grip man! we are only 2 races and a qually session into a 21 race season.
 
I don't understand how anyone can be writing off Hamiltons season before lights out of the third race of the year? There are still 475 points available, and 19 races where all kinds of things can happen... People are acting like it's all over and we may as well pack up and go home...
 
steve45 said:
Locky you spout some right excrement, what complete unsubstantiated garbage. He's had a couple of bad starts and a couple of mechanicals, all of a sudden he's given up on life? get a grip man! we are only 2 races and a qually session into a 21 race season.
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This isn't the same Hamilton we had last year. The fire has gone from him and it shows. I can spout all I like btw.

On a plus side at least we don't get to see a Rosberg looked like a smacked arse with his toys out of the pram.
 
Outcast said:
Should be interesting if Ricciardo gets out the gate quicker than Rosberg
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Even if he does, Nico and most like both Ferraris will overtake him soon enough. Unortunately for Ric they still don't have the horsepower that car and him deserve to have.
I will not be surprised if both Mercs end up in some sort of crash on the first lap.
 
Locky said:
Maybe not broken parts but the poor starts ARE down to him not being good enough.
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And nothing to do with a new single clutch paddle system introduced this year thats also caused Rosberg problems?

Locky said:
This isn't the same Hamilton we had last year. The fire has gone from him and it shows. I can spout all I like btw.
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Yeah, his drive from 6th to 2nd, and from 7th to 3rd show that fire has totally gone... :rolleyes:.

Rosberg has done almost nothing other than drive around on his own, and inherited 2 wins through other peoples misfortune.
 
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Skeeter said:
And nothing to do with a new single clutch paddle system introduced this year thats also caused Rosberg problems?



Yeah, his drive from 6th to 2nd, and from 7th to 3rd show that fire has totally gone... :rolleyes:.

Rosberg has done almost nothing other than drive around on his own, and inherited 2 wins through other peoples misfortune.
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Everyone has the same clutch and hes not been good enough with it where Rosberg evidently has.

Hamilton's poor starts have handed Rosberg wins and that is not Rosbergs fault that Hamilton has been poor. Hamilton wouldn't need to recover all the last races if didn't keep **** ing up. This weekend granted is not his fault.
 
Rosberg was just as bad as Hamilton in Australia. He was gifted a win by the Red Flag.

Quite how you've jumped from making one more poor start than his team mate all the way to "Hamilton isnt good enough and his fire is gone" I don't know.
 
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