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Choosing an AMD, is Ghz everything?

Okay so now I've got my graphics card sorted, back to the original question.

I've got to buy a processor now and I won't be updating it the moment BDs come out because I'll need to save. So I might as well pick a good one.

Considering the Motherboard I'm using ^^ listed above. And the graphics card. What would be the best performing processor to go for? Should I go for one of the two listed in my OP or another?
 
Any of the Black editions have a unlocked CPU multiplier, so overclocking them is simple, take a slower one, spend 5 seconds in the BIOS and get a faster CPU equal to a more expensive one.
 
Would I not be equally as smart buying a faster one and overclocking it so it's even faster?

Thing is because I'm buying now I might as well buy a good one because I don't know when I'll be able to go BD
 
One question I have regard the Geforce GTX 580s is that I'm seeing some with around 1000mb and then the nexts ones up are 2000mb then 3000mb. How big an impact does this difference make?
 
One question I have regard the Geforce GTX 580s is that I'm seeing some with around 1000mb and then the nexts ones up are 2000mb then 3000mb. How big an impact does this difference make?


There are only two memory sizes, 1536MB then 3072MB.

Not much - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_580_Lightning_Extreme_Edition/27.html

Its probably the clock speeds of that MSI card in that review that make the difference - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_580_Lightning_Extreme_Edition/1.html
 
Its a good brand, its a reference cooler design so pushes hot air out the back of the case.

See how GTX580SLI eat Crossfire6950 - http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-crossfirex-review/6

Things like the ASUS DirectCUII are triple slot in width, meaning two of them cover your motherboard - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-249-AS&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1812

Thats just truly silly, firstly the review is linked way before drivers have bought the two setups even closer together, secondly, the "big" gaps in the main bar chart are 1 vs 2 6950's, the 580gtx sli is basically 10% ahead, yet costs at £360 card you linked cost 87% more for, best case 25% more, worst case, 0% more, average, 10% more performance.

580gtx's are simply awful cards, no way about it.

Blind test 95% of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a computer witha 6950, 6970, 570gtx, 580gtx in it.

Because of the cost, you can get 2x 6950's in the budget, and be basically 50-80% ahead in almost every game, for around a 10% increase in cost.

580gtx is a great card performance wise, but value, its just awful, a 570gtx is infinately better value, £250 though, they were going for £230ish for a while which was even better, anyway, 10-15% less performance 30% less cost, much better value.

The 6970 is equally bad value in comparison with a 6950, the choice should be 6950 or 570gtx.

To the OP, for CPU I'd just go the cheapest quad core phenom 2 £90, overclocking a chip these days, with phenoms will be a case of going into the bios and increasing multiplier, nothing more or less.

You could buy a http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-284-AM&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=1328

dual core, it should unlock into a quad core, again one simple option in the bios, but might not be worth it. Mine was £65 when the quads started at around £110-120, now the gap is smaller so probably isn't worth it.

If you want to get a Bulldozer later on, you can, if you don't, a quad core will be ample for games for at least a couple years.

£90 cpu, £190 for a 6950, save almost £200 from that 580gtx, and if you wanted to your PSU could easily power another 6950, but I wouldn't recommend it.

New AMD gpu's are only a few months away, get a 6950, save a bunch of cash, when the new cards come out, sell the 6950, put the saved cash in, and buy a new card that will be almost twice as fast.

Infact, seriously £360 for a gpu is mental on release, with over a year to go before new gpu's, today, with new gpu's that will absolutely demolish the current gpu's less than 2 months away.

Get something to tide you over, CPU, meh, bulldozer will be faster, but for gaming you don't need that much cpu power so upgrading won't really do anything for you.

But a 6950 to a 7950 is a HUGE upgrade. Save your money, £360 on a 580gtx is about the worst value computer hardware purchase you could make. Phenom prices will come down a bit but won't crash in a couple months, in three months a 580gtx will be worth half as much.
 
I will tell you whats silly, knowing the performance difference of a unreleased card.

Where are the reviews or previews showing an unannounced product?

Thats just truly silly, firstly the review is linked way before drivers have bought the two setups even closer together,

This is silly also, both camps have had driver improvements, so what ever ATi gained, Nvidia would have got a performance boost too from their latest driver releases, keeping the performance difference well apart.
 
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I'm shopping for my processor and I'm just wondering is Ghz everything? I need to make a decision very soon. I was going to wait on BD but at this stage that would mean living without a pc for possibly another month. Not going to happen lol.

So I've got an AMD build so I've looked at these two below. I'm looking for speed obviously I just want whatever will run quickest.

3.7ghz Quad -http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-304-AM&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=1943

3.3ghz 6 Core - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-277-AM

Thoughts? Suggestions?

I have the 1100T Black Edition and its an awesome chip, got a nice 4.2ghz overclock and everything runs silky smooth and very fast, couldnt recoomend this cpu enough ^^
 
I have the 1100T Black Edition and its an awesome chip, got a nice 4.2ghz overclock and everything runs silky smooth and very fast, couldnt recoomend this cpu enough ^^

god, don't say that, you'll be burnt at the stake! :eek: recommending something other than Intel, madness...apparently!
 
I have the 1100T Black Edition and its an awesome chip, got a nice 4.2ghz overclock and everything runs silky smooth and very fast, couldnt recoomend this cpu enough ^^

It is a very fast CPU at 4.2GHz! What volts did you need to get it stable?

The best AMD bargain at the moment is a second hand 1055T or 1090T in my opinion. I saw one for £70.
 
indeed they are, for some of the prices of second hand Phenom X6 they are great processors, got one off a college friend of mine, haven't got round to installing it like!
 
1.50v at the moment but im gonna try and lower it a bit ^^

That's pretty good. It took 1.55V on the one I'm testing now, but that's quite a quick and dirty OC! Certainly wasn't stable below. Did you up the HT link speed and any other voltages for that? Good luck optimising it, sounds good so far, the CHV must be pretty good. I'm currently testing the Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7 but should have a chance to try the CHV too.
 
That's pretty good. It took 1.55V on the one I'm testing now, but that's quite a quick and dirty OC! Certainly wasn't stable below. Did you up the HT link speed and any other voltages for that? Good luck optimising it, sounds good so far, the CHV must be pretty good. I'm currently testing the Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7 but should have a chance to try the CHV too.

The only thing ive touched so far is the vcore and bus settings, left the rest on auto until i feel more confident with optimising ^^
 
don't Phenom II get faster with HT overclocking, more so than multiplier overclocking, when I get round to putting this 1055T into my motherboard (weekend hopefully) and get round to reinstalling my water cooling going to do some experimenting with CPU-NB and HT overclocking. :confused:
 
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