Clarkson's Farm

Food prices are set by global markets. UK farmers have to compete with all farmers around the world, not just with each other in the U.K.

Yes of course, I guess my point was that if there was a system or process whereby people knew that the extra 10-20p they pay for a veg would go into the farmer's pockets, how many people would complain?
 
Food prices are set by global markets. UK farmers have to compete with all farmers around the world, not just with each other in the U.K.



UK farming is hampered by scale, or the lack there of it.

Small farms like what Clarkson has which are then split up into tiny fields are just not very efficient. I’m sure farmers are able to keep themselves busy all year round but it’s just not as productive.

In places like Ukraine and the US, they have single fields of wheat which are multiple times larger than the entirety of Clarkson farm.

It’s so much more efficient at that scale both on time (labour) and equipment use (capital costs).

The downside is you’ll loose a lot of heritage (e.g. stone walls lining fields) and what little habitat we have left in the U.K. if you scaled it up. Farmland isn’t habitat but all the hedgerows etc are and you’ve have to strip all that out.

Remember listening to a talk over here, form a Nuffield Scholar who farmed 2000hectares in the vale of York, he told us the story that he get a group pf farmers from here (N Ireland) and take them out to his biggest field (150 hectares) and listen to them all say that "his one field was bigger that their whole farm". when he was doing his Nuffield Scholarship he had to travel to Ukraine (long before the war) they took him out to the nearest field (not the biggest) and that he finally under stood the Irish farmers were saying as he was in a field bigger that his whole farm. not only, but it made his land (which is some of the best in the UK) look like low quality rubbish.
 
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Yes of course, I guess my point was that if there was a system or process whereby people knew that the extra 10-20p they pay for a veg would go into the farmer's pockets, how many people would complain?
Lots. It adds up considerably over the course of a year.

If people really wanted to do that, they would already shop at the thousands of farms shops which exist around the country.

Any by farm shop, I don’t mean a posh deli pretending to sell local produce, I mean actual shops run by the farmers themselves.

Lots of people also realise that a lot of farmers are rather wealthy. Getting more revenue to ‘poorer’ farmers inevitably means more money flowing to the land barons. Even many poorer farmers could cash out and have enough cash to relocate to the Caribbean and leave out their lives in relieve luxury with a rather nice yacht for the weekend.
 
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I don't understand how simple the TB testing is? Is there not a blood test that can be done, rather than measuring the size of the lumps?

Just seems like such a waste, that the animal will be destroyed based on a double-inconclusive. :(

Just seems like the testing is stuck 200-300 years in the past there...
 
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Tests can result in false negatives also.

The reason they are culled because it’s dangerous and highly contagious. It’s all about risk management and not saving animals which are bread to be killed anyway.

It’s not just about risks to individuals, it’s the whole U.K. market, including exports and has a knock on impact to other animals.

If you go back to when CJD was a thing, no one was buying a U.K. beef for years. It was a disaster.
 
It could be called a disaster when they’re killing animals that genuinely don’t have it. Given how long they are waiting between tests, surely a blood test is going to be far more accurate than a man and his calipers looking at a chart.
There has to be a better way than that.

Edit: Hey we killed this thing, and that was our bad, but still… You’ll remain in lockdown and we’ll kill more.
 
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Yeah, those last two eps were quite a hard watch. I watched the last episode just before starting work this morning and I can honestly say, I felt a little down/depressed through my first few meetings before I could lift myself out of it!
 
It could be called a disaster when they’re killing animals that genuinely don’t have it. Given how long they are waiting between tests, surely a blood test is going to be far more accurate than a man and his calipers looking at a chart.
There has to be a better way than that.

Edit: Hey we killed this thing, and that was our bad, but still… You’ll remain in lockdown and we’ll kill more.
Again, you’re missing the point.

These animals are not your family dog, they eventually enter the food chain. It’s all about risk management, not preserving life.

Do you want to eat a steak from a cow which is showing signs of TB? No of course not.

It’s no different to avian flu etc.
 
Watched the last two episodes today, again very thought provoking, with regards to the birds in the fields, the testing for BTB and the facts of just running a farm. Roll on the next series.
 
Again, you’re missing the point.

These animals are not your family dog, they eventually enter the food chain. It’s all about risk management, not preserving life.

Do you want to eat a steak from a cow which is showing signs of TB? No of course not.

It’s no different to avian flu etc.
How do they test for avian flu though? I bet it's not based on the hope someone can measure with millimetre accuracy on a massive moving animal, and that's before you've got multiple different people doing the measuring.
 
Lots of people also realise that a lot of farmers are rather wealthy.
If you look at farmers wealth on paper, yes, many appear incredibly wealthy. Land, buildings, machinery, etc and with a potentially huge turnover each year.

Bottom line profit is a very different thing.
 
How do they test for avian flu though? I bet it's not based on the hope someone can measure with millimetre accuracy on a massive moving animal, and that's before you've got multiple different people doing the measuring.
Different disease, different test.

According to AI, basically by the time a cow is producing antibodies for the TB for it to show on a standard test, it’s way too late. There isn’t any active shedding via mucus early in the progress of the disease. A cow can have it for years before showing any symptoms.

There is a more advanced blood test but it has a high rate of false positives. It’s also too expensive/disruptive to use for general screening.

The skin test is 99% accurate, cheap and easy to deploy in the field.

Avian flu is done via a swab and basic PCR test and/or environmental tests for wild animals you can’t catch.

If you look at farmers wealth on paper, yes, many appear incredibly wealthy. Land, buildings, machinery, etc and with a potentially huge turnover each year.

Bottom line profit is a very different thing.
Correct, and I didn’t claim otherwise.

It’s a hard gig but what it comes with is options most people can only dream of.

Hardly any will sell up and realise the millions but they could if they wanted to, that was the crux of my point.

That said that mainly only applies to those who are landowners, not those on a tenancy.
 
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I seem to be going against popular opinion but I found Hannah bloody annoying.

It's a farm, it's primary objective is to produce food and make money but as passionate she was about the birds she was also incredibly patronising and obnoxious and offered no alternative solutions for postponing cutting the field for the cow feed. I know Clarkson can cover the loss and buy more, a lot probably can't.

She's a typical hippy, hyper focused on the one thing she believes in and loves at the expense of everything else.
 
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