Clio Cup's

'Performance' wise there's nothing in it, engines are the same. But if you mean the suspension then I doubt it's easy as they have wider a wider track, unless that's done another way?
 
The 172 Cup is around 90 - 100 Kg lighter than the FF172. So weight saving on a FF172 is your best bet to get a bit closer to the Cup performace wise.
 
melchy said:
The 172 Cup is around 90 - 100 Kg lighter than the FF172. So weight saving on a FF172 is your best bet to get a bit closer to the Cup performace wise.
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Yeah my post wasn't too clear, I was saying how the engines are the same.

Cup even has a thinner windscreen doesn't it??
 
digitalwolf said:
Can the 172FF be tuned to hit 60 in 6.7 or less?

Obviously without putting turbo's on etc.
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The book 0-62 time of the FF 172 is listed as 7.2 seconds. I think that is probably a little conservative. Going by the book figure the 0 - 60 should be around 7 seconds dead.
 
Just Renault doing the right thing tbh - involking Dawin Theory. The main two types of people who'll buy the cup are a) THose that can drive it and b) Those that think they can drive it as they are a god of driving, coming from a 1.2 Corsa or such-like. It is like taking away the chav's 'big brother' and letting him out to shout abuse at people as though his 18st of back-up was still there. Creamed chav.
 
Ev0 said:
Cup even has a thinner windscreen doesn't it??
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Yeah, thinner windows all round :)

Kitchster_uk said:
Just Renault doing the right thing tbh - involking Dawin Theory. The main two types of people who'll buy the cup are a) THose that can drive it and b) Those that think they can drive it as they are a god of driving, coming from a 1.2 Corsa or such-like. It is like taking away the chav's 'big brother' and letting him out to shout abuse at people as though his 18st of back-up was still there. Creamed chav.
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I came from a 1.25 16v Fiesta :p
 
The cup sounds good. Having a saxo vtr, stuff like abs and a/c are not even an option.

How well does the 172 FF handle as it'll be used possibly 50 miles a day? The saxo handles extremely well. Any saxo vt* owners made the change to a 172?
 
/me points to sig ;)

I have only been forced into an emergency stop situation once in my MR2 and that was on a dual carraigeway in the pouring rain (tyres making waves across the road style heavy) and I neither locked up nor went into the back of the car I was stopping for. I was braking so hard the back end went a little light and still no lock up. I am sure one day I will stab the brakes and lock up but I am sure if I can manage in the pouring rain then I can manage in the dry :)

I was also fine in the snow recently, I didn't crash into anything and I stopped for every set of lights etc...
 
Just to clear everything up you've got:

Ph1 172 - The bug eyed shape, all the options avaliable in the Mk2 Ph1 Clio A/C, ABS, Half Leather Etc.

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Ph2 172 FF - The pointy headlights shape, again all the options avaliable on the Mk2 Ph2 Clio Climate Control, Leather, Xenons. Also on 52 plate onwards models they fitted Bosch ESP as standard too (the ABS is a bosch system too). 53 plate onwards they also fitted cruise control/speed limiter as standard.

Mine :D (when it was standard)
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Ph2 172 Cup - The stripped out version, weighs 95kg less than the FF with alterations to the suspension too. The spring and damping rates are different also have wider track. No ABS, No AC, No Leather, nothing really.
The "drivers" version, although in practise most are bought by people who wanted but couldn't afford the FF version.
Only avaliable in Mondial Blue with Speedline Turinis and Iceberg Silver later on, when they added Iceberg as an optional colour they also added the option of climate control as well for some strange reason considering this was a lot of the weight they shaved off the FF.

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182 - 172FF with ten more hp gained from a 4-2-1 exhaust manifold and a different engine map, also has some slight revisements to the gearbox to make it stronger. No spare wheel due to the twin exit exhausts. All the toys from the late Ph2 172FF were fitted ABS/ESP, Cruise, CC, Leather everything.

Now to confuse matters these were avaliable with the two cup packs as optional extras, theres:
  • Cup Spoiler Pack - A Cup rear spoiler from the 172 Cup and a cup from lower splitter from the 172 Cup
  • Cup Suspension Pack - Wider track and every so slightly lower suspension, again spring and damping rates are different from the non cup setup. Also had the anthracite wheels.

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Note both cup packs on this car.

182 Cup - Not really a "real" cup. Just take a 182FF and delete the xenons, leather and climate control and you've got the 182 cup. Still had everything else fitted, no real mega weight saving just cheaper. Only avaliable in Racing Blue and Inferno Orange. Cup suspension and spoiler packs are standard.

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182 Trophy - Considered by a few magazines and publications (Evo especially) to be the pinnacle driving RS of the Mk2 Clio range and one of the best hot hatches ever. Based on a 182 cup but fitted with Sachs remote reservior dampers, Recaro trendline bucket seats, Anthracite speedline turinis and a V6 rear spoiler. Only avaliable on Capiscum Red and only 500 made for the RHD UK market, another 50 LHD models were made and went to switzerland mostly, although there probably spread all over europe by now.

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And, breath. Think that about covers the basics so people can understand what they're talking about.
 
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[TW]Fox;11084762 said:
'Look at me, im a real man becuase my car has no kit'
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Pretty much ;)

Although even *with* all that trick electronic stuff its possible to stack it, right?
 
taske said:
common misconception is that ABS stops your car quicker, it doesn't.
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...is the wrong answer.

It is proven that on surfaces such as bitumen and concrete (which are normal everyday road surfaces), even the best threshold brakers will find it hard to beat/match systems such as ABS.

ABS is an incredibly effective system, and many drivers (particularly enthusiasts) feel they can do better without it. In reality, only a tiny percentage could do this. ABS is meant to allow you brake hard without concentrating on cadence braking and allow you to steer around the obstacle without sliding into it.

Forget the people who say "you should be able to brake properly" and "i learnt in cars without ABS and i always managed to stop". It maybe true, but they didn't have things like traction control and ESP either, which are both proven to reduce accidents.
 
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Gaygle said:
...is the wrong answer.

It is proven that on surfaces such as bitumen and concrete (which are normal everyday road surfaces), even the best threshold brakers will find it hard to beat/match systems such as ABS.

ABS is an incredibly effective system, and many drivers (particularly enthusiasts) feel they can do better without it. In reality, only a tiny percentage could do this. ABS is meant to allow you brake hard without concentrating on cadence braking and allow you to steer around the obstacle without sliding into it.

Forget the people who say "you should be able to brake properly" and "i learnt in cars without ABS and i always managed to stop". It maybe true, but they didn't have things like traction control and ESP either, which are both proven to reduce accidents.
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So, people who say "oh, I have ABS so that will stop my car quicker" as they stand on the brake are going to stop in a shorter distance? People misjudge what ABS is effective at doing, they think it's some kind of ground anchor. It's likely to only be proven on clean, dry and flat surfaces too.

Got a link to this proof by any chance?
 
Thanks for that post bmh.01, great stuff!

All I need to know really is how well the 172FF handles. I've yet to have a car with ABS, i've yet to have a car with A/C so it's hardly like I will miss them.

The cup's are cheaper to buy which is a good thing but if I'm doing a 25 mile commute in the summer I may want A/C.

I've seen a few people on cliosport mention they have changed the springs on their cup. Why? Thought they handled well as standard???


I do love cup blue paint though:D
 
bmh.01 said:
stuff about 172s
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you left out the mk1 172! :D




Re: ABS

I have 2 cars - both are the same year and same spec/engine - they're even the same colour, except one has ABS and the other doesnt.

I'm telling you that I can stop the ABS one much, much quicker and far more controlled than the non ABS one, even when I'm expecting to have to cadence brake (laps on track).

the 172 could stop quicker than most exotica could at the time, couldnt it? due to its fancy electrics...
 
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