clocked

[Barry Smalley]

Good Luck

 

[jigger]

check this video then look for signs of similar being done to yours.
plastic clips snap, and scar easily!

I don't really know anything about this and I'm only guessing it's an E87 you have so don't take it as a fact.

Thats a good idea. If the Police could find the owners finger print.

50k in a year though. That would take some doing.

 

["andy"]

i still dont get why you first decided it must be clocked ?

because of the 1k bill ? on a premium car

Of the top of my head I'm the third owner so it is entirely plausible that the first owner only did 10k over 3 years but from my perspective why would you buy a brand new 1 series coupe and hardly use it for 3 years before selling?

its what people do !

they buy a car to drive the short distance to work and back every day and look nice in the car park then after 3 years it is old to them so they trade it in for a new one

my mum did this constantly

 

["andy"]

It does seem odd, hardly the first 'reliable' german wagon that hits 60k with a few issues!

id like to know who and which part of BMW said ''it must be clocked'' it really does sound like an excuse for something failing that maybe shouldnt have done so early

 

[Gaygle]

I don't think it's been clocked at all.

A) There aren't many people round who are clocking their 3 year old cars with 15k miles on them. After all why would you? Clocking was a tactic to take a 120k mile car, down to a 50k mile car with the end game being to increase it's value. Clocking a car by a few thousand miles on a new, very low mileage car just makes no sense.

B) I would not trust the recordings of mileage on either MOT or service records. Both are very well known to occasionally be horrendously inaccurate to the point you wonder if the operator was typing with their fist.

C) From looking at the mileages etc, I would guess that the person that owned it before you didn't use it that often, but when they did they did long distance journeys in it, possibly on the continent. There's nothing on the service or MOT records that make it stand out as being clocked. The only possibility of the car being clocked is if you have had someone very clever clocking it by a few thousands miles every now and then, whilst being careful to still make sure that the records of service mileage and MOT mileages match up (even though the services and MOT's are often months from each other). All of this on a pretty new car, with low mileage regardless of it's been clocked. However, then we're back to a "Why would you bother?!" scenario.

I think you're worrying needlessly.

Also you seem to be *very* worried by your car being clocked, but not overly worried that you got charged £1000 for a pair of tyres and an ABS sensor...

 

[davisdavid]

sorry to keep going on about it..... but have you looked for any physical signs of tampering?

Not yet, didn't get home til after dark

Against whom and for what?

I can't see anything there that shows anything negative. It mostly seems to tally up and the only unusual things are that it covered 4000 miles in the space of 3 weeks between its second service and it's first MOT but as unusual as that sounds it proves nothing and is possible - I've put 4000-5000 miles on a car in a similar period of time in the past for example. Secondly 10k miles in 4 months seems odd but it doesnt look like evidence of clocking does it? It just looks odd.

So exactly who are you going to take action against and for what? When do you think it was clocked and why? Potentially it may have happened before the cars first service but, and this is a big BUT, even if it was who do you think you can sue? The offence is misrepresenting the mileage in a sale, did the person who may or may not have done something in 2011 do that to you?

Service Record: 31,171 miles - 10/07/13

MOT Certificate: 32,000 miles - 11/10/12

This is the issue - even if we accept people make mistakes when entering the data, minus 829 miles in 9 months is pretty spectacular.

i still dont get why you first decided it must be clocked ?

because of the 1k bill ? on a premium car



its what people do !

they buy a car to drive the short distance to work and back every day and look nice in the car park then after 3 years it is old to them so they trade it in for a new one

my mum did this constantly

I didn't decide it must be clocked, that was the feedback from BMW via my local garage. The car went into my local garage because it was juddering for no reason, then it transpired the DPF had been circumvented, sensors removed, software tampered with as BMW found and then they said they believed there was a strong possibility it had been clocked. M

My issue isn't with the erratic jumps in mileage, all the servicing was done in Airdrie (everytime) for a guy who owned the car living in Wiltshire.

I've got two options, chase it down and see how far I get whilst declaring the car is potentially clocked or part ex it and effectively do the same as what has happened to me if there is in fact an issue with the odometer reading.

 

[( |-| |2 ][ $]

Best bet is stick your head in the sand, forget about it, convince yourself it's ok and then sell it in a couple of years when the value of the car is low enough that it's the condition and not the mileage that's important to any new owner.

 

[davisdavid]

Best bet is stick your head in the sand, forget about it, convince yourself it's ok and then sell it in a couple of years when the value of the car is low enough that it's the condition and not the mileage that's important to any new owner.

I'm not going to lose sleep over it but I will check with CAB this week about where I stand.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Not yet, didn't get home til after dark



Service Record: 31,171 miles - 10/07/13

MOT Certificate: 32,000 miles - 11/10/12

This is the issue - even if we accept people make mistakes when entering the data, minus 829 miles in 9 months is pretty spectacular.

Ah, I see now. I think it's a definite mistake - the MOT record is very specific so I bet it's been entered wrong.

I've got two options, chase it down and see how far I get whilst declaring the car is potentially clocked or part ex it and effectively do the same as what has happened to me if there is in fact an issue with the odometer reading.

I don't understand who you think you can chase for this though? Lets assume it did happen and the 32000 entry is not a mistake. This was 4 years ago! Who owned the car then?

If it wasn't the person who sold it to you then this is a complete dead end - IIRC it isn't against the law to change your cars mileage, but it's against the law to misrepresent it. So if the person who sold you the car isn't the one who did it...

 

[davisdavid]

Ah, I see now. I think it's a definite mistake - the MOT record is very specific so I bet it's been entered wrong.



I don't understand who you think you can chase for this though? Lets assume it did happen and the 32000 entry is not a mistake. This was 4 years ago! Who owned the car then?

If it wasn't the person who sold it to you then this is a complete dead end - IIRC it isn't against the law to change your cars mileage, but it's against the law to misrepresent it. So if the person who sold you the car isn't the one who did it...

It is the same owner throughout, bar the first 3 years of the car being registered. All the MOT/ Services above are from the same guy.

 

[Dogbreath]

Service Record: 31,171 miles - 10/07/13

MOT Certificate: 32,000 miles - 11/10/12

This is the issue - even if we accept people make mistakes when entering the data, minus 829 miles in 9 months is pretty spectacular.

That makes no sense at all. If you accept that people make mistakes when entering mileage, then how is that spectacular? Maybe it was meant to be 41,171 and someone fat fingered the keyboard?

 

[rodenal]

It's all pretty inoculous tbh

Never assume deceit when incompetency is an option. Consider what anyone would realistically have to gain from clocking say 10k off a 1 series, when it's already 4 years old on one single occasion.

It doesn't really stack up tbh; even if true you have zero chance of getting anything back from the previous owner. This was such a long time ago that proving anything from them will be next to impossible, then you'd have to work up quantifiable loss and spend what would end up being months chasing it (small claims is not quick if the other side decide to play games)

If the previous owner was in possession and it was indeed clocked they have still given you the facts on the car, you clearly have the service history and have the ability to check mot history. Not many people state in an ad "this car has explicitly not been mileage corrected"

Don't spend any time or money on it. You'll need to make your peace with it, even if you're convinced it's been clocked (I'm not from the evidence so far)

 

[Scania]

I didn't decide it must be clocked, that was the feedback from BMW via my local garage. The car went into my local garage because it was juddering for no reason, then it transpired the DPF had been circumvented, sensors removed, software tampered with as BMW found and then they said they believed there was a strong possibility it had been clocked.

Is your local garage & BMW one and the same thing? i.e. is your local garage a BMW dealer? or did your local garage have the car in for work, which they subsequently took to BMW for BMW to then apparently uncover this and report back to them? - strikes me odd if its the latter tbh.

I think its a MOT mistake too, as already said, whats the point of a relatively small "correction / clocking" on such a car?

The initial fault doesn't strike me as something more prone to a high mileage car anyway more just one of those annoying faults....

 

[Janesy B]

So the garage think it's done 10's of thousands more but there's only a small discrepancy in manually entered data.

I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[davieg]

You would love my MOT history mileage and service record then, at one point i think theres about 300,000 difference over a month and a half, due to a chubby fingered chap at the testing centre, then it goes oddly low then after changing garages it now makes sense as obviously this tester doesn't try and put the numbers in with a nerf gun full of sausages fired randomly at the numbers.

 

[Jono8]

Didn't you say it was a 57 plate, and that first service is in 2010 having done only 6,576 miles?

I suppose that is slightly suspicious but i suppose if it was a late 57 that is only 2 years and it isn't beyond the realms of possibility for someone to only do 3000miles a year.

The fact is, you really don't have any proof of anything.

 

[TripleT]

If you're that bothered just trade it in to a garage (Indy, not BMW ) Hell a car supermarket, they dersvere the ****

 

[Myshra]

The fact that the entry is 32000 exact would suggest to me he forgot the exact amount but it was somewhere early 30s or similar and gave it 32k as it was close enough. If the garage can provide more proof that it was clocked then I'd be more inclined to go with that train of thought I guess but it doesn't malicious. I mean if you were going to do this you'd go all in and drop a ton of mileage surely?

The car hasn't been driven much would be instant reaction given the DPF removal. Town driving > DPF issues > DPF removal on the balance of probability.

but from my perspective why would you buy a brand new 1 series coupe and hardly use it for 3 years before selling?

Salesman selling to old people telling them that diesel is good, selling to people who want a BMW badge to goto tesco a few times a week, people who commute a short journey etc etc... Tons of possibilities really. All of them help ruin DPFs too

 

[Haggisman]

If you're that bothered just trade it in to a garage (Indy, not BMW ) Hell a car supermarket, they dersvere the ****

The only problem with that is that it wouldn't be the car supermarket who would lose out, it would be the person buying a £7k car for £10k on a £150/month over 8 years finance "deal"