I think that at the moment it’s just a proposal by the European Parliament, the idea is that by 2021, all 28 States, (27 if we’re out, but the way it’s going, we’ll probably still be in come 2021), have to decide whether to stick with summer time, or winter time.
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I think that at the moment it’s just a proposal by the European Parliament, the idea is that by 2021, all 28 States, (27 if we’re out, but the way it’s going, we’ll probably still be in come 2021), have to decide whether to stick with summer time, or winter time.
Ha! EnjoyLA for work. Do it once or twice a year. It's a great flight but the morning one has been getting earlier and earlier. Preferred it when it was 1130 odd, it was nice and relaxed
Its like can we borrow an hour out your day and give it you back in October.
Well DST lasts seven months of the year in the UK, not six. So actually they're stealing a little bit more from you on balance. About 30 hours nicked, every year...
Its called interest on time. pmsl
You are right though the cheeky ..... fill in the rest.
Only one hour is 'nicked'...?
DST lasts seven months of the year. Every day of that you're getting up an hour early. Cumulatively, that's around thirty hours of getting up early per month. In the Itchy interpretation in which DST is a loss of an hour, this should be interpreted in aggregate rather than a single offset. Due to DST lasting seven months and non-DST lasting only five, that should be sixty hours under Itchy Interpretationl
I initially wrote 30 hours rather than 60, which I attribute to the time difference causing my brain to be sleepier at this time than it ought.
But all the other days are 24 hours long still? No time is lost? In Spring one day is 23 hours long, an hour 'nicked' and in autumn it is given back when a day is 25 hours long. All other days I sleep and am awake the same amount of time?
As stated, I am examining the Itchy Interpretation. I do not claim that this is valid or not, I critique its internal consistency, merely.
Ok. And the facts hold up. An hour is borrowed and then given back.
No. Because there are seven months under DST and only five months not. Ergo, deficit.
How can I explain this conversation for you?
Itchy: The Narnia books are Hindu allegory.
Me: No, they are Christian allegory.
You: Narnia doesn't exist.
You see how this conversation is taking place in different contexts? I am correcting the maths. You are arguing with me over someone else's premise. If this excites you so much, you should be quoting Itchy, not I.
No, I don't understand what you're saying and it could well be I'm missing the point.
This is correct. As I said, one day is 23 hours (hour borrowed) and later one is 25 hours (given back) the maths adds up? All other days are 24 hours, so what time you wake up is irrelevant? Do you sleep an hour less every night through summer? I don't understand how you think we're losing an hour for all the days in between. Maybe I'm looking at it too logically, but to me itchy's comment makes sense? I'm not arguing to be awkward, I don't get your point we're loosing an hour in all the days in between and I'm trying to understand it?
Its like can we borrow an hour out your day and give it you back in October.
This is correct. As I said, one day is 23 hours (hour borrowed) and later one is 25 hours (given back) the maths adds up? All other days are 24 hours, so what time you wake up is irrelevant? Do you sleep an hour less every night through summer? I don't understand how you think we're losing an hour for all the days in between. Maybe I'm looking at it too logically, but to me itchy's comment makes sense? I'm not arguing to be awkward, I don't get your point we're loosing an hour in all the days in between and I'm trying to understand it?
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I hate the first Sunday though. It feels like the day is flying by too quickly.
Okay. I'll try and lay it out. Itchy proposed that we lose an hour today, we get it back in October. I stated that this was a flawed way of interpreting it because it is not a single hour given and taken, but an ongoing adjustment. DST isn't -1 just for today. It's -1 every day for the next seven months. To say it is given back in October would only be valid (in this interpretation) if you got it back for as many days as it was taken. But that is not so, there are only five months of non-DST, which is less than seven months. This is not equal. This is further complicated by the fact that the Itchy Interpretation is a linguistic mapping, not reality itself. The number of hours in the day does not alter. An more accurate description would be that it is a mass social agreement that everybody get up an hour earlier for the next seven months. And a more accurate description again would be that it's a social demand that is imposed on the country which people reluctantly go along with. But in neither case is the "lose an hour / gain an hour" an accurate reflection of reality. It's like that maths problem of the three people in the restaurant splitting the bill and the extra £1 suddenly appearing out of nowhere. It results from focusing on the language rather than the reality. It's not "an hour". You've come in at the initial level addressing criticism or support of the premise. But you're addressing it to me who is consciously operating within the premise that the language level is accurate, even though it isn't. I know it's not "an hour" actually moved around but only a social agreement, but I'm saying if it were (the Itchy Interpretation) then it wouldn't be a single hour, but sixty, because it's an ongoing thing for seven months, not a one off event. And the difference between 1hr x 30days x (7months-5months) = 60 (approx).
And now I've spent four posts explaining that something is internally inconsistent when it's based on a premise that isn't an accurate map of reality in the first place. Like debating whether Frodo was taller or shorter than Aragorn when neither exists.
I'm stopping there as I've explained that bit. It is just one day, all the others are 24 hours. Even if we go with it, you lose and hour in the morning, but you gain it at night. I'll just drop out of this conversation as for me, what you're saying is not logical on a very simplistic issue. I do appreciate you taking the time though.
Okay. No worries! We're talking at cross-purposes, which is my point.
Me too. Really hope it gets implemented here. Utterly pointless in this day and age.
Fewer hours of sleep.