Coca Cola : "Be less white"

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dLockers said:
Unfortunately this is where the poor disenfranchised white folk are getting left behind.
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My point exactly. You're not going to do that unless you focus on issues of wealth inequality rather than focusing on race, gender, etc.

The key focus needs to be offering everyone equal support and opportunity. Not preferential treatment for certain ethnicity groups like Coke-a-cola seems to believe.
 
silvagti said:
My point exactly. You're not going to do that unless you focus on issues of wealth inequality rather than focusing on race, gender, etc.

The key focus needs to be offering everyone equal support and opportunity. Not preferential treatment for certain ethnicity groups like Coke-a-cola seems to believe.
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Equal opportunity is a good starting point but uptake and convincing people it is going to help them is the big problem. Especially when a huge majority as seen in this thread "dont see colour" and "dont see the problem" when it is so blindingly obvious. And instead of seeing the problem actively divert it to a problem closer to home for them.
 
silvagti said:
My point exactly. You're not going to do that unless you focus on issues of wealth inequality rather than focusing on race, gender, etc.

The key focus needs to be offering everyone equal support and opportunity. Not preferential treatment for certain ethnicity groups like Coke-a-cola seems to believe.
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Yeah but with poor white people it's their fault remember ;)
 
R.P.L said:
Yeah but with poor white people it's their fault remember ;)
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Who else can you blame? I made it out of EMA/FSM to 6 figures. Why can't they? No one once said sorry pal you are too white. They did say sorry pal for many other reasons within my control that I fixed.
 
dLockers said:
Who else can you blame? I made it out of EMA/FSM to 6 figures. Why can't they?
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You do realise your argument also applies to every other ethnic race. There are rags to riches stories from every walk of life, if they did it why cant all the others?
 
200sols said:
You do realise your argument also applies to every other ethnic race. There are rags to riches stories from every walk of life, if they did it why cant all the others?
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The odds are brutally stacked against them apparently. At least that is what the data says. And even when they do out skill and out qualify the other minorities, they are still vastly unrepresented in the workforce and political spheres. Maybe we can outline this argument in picture book form for you?
 
dLockers said:
The odds are brutally stacked against them apparently. At least that is what the data says. And even when they do out skill and out qualify the other minorities, they are still vastly unrepresented in the workforce and political spheres. Maybe we can outline this argument in picture book form for you?
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Completely missing the point. Well done. Trying to debate with you is like smashing your head against a brick wall.
 
200sols said:
Completely missing the point. Well done. Trying to debate with you is like smashing your head against a brick wall.
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Your point was rags to riches in the BAME world. There are rags to riches in the BAME world, lots of them. Are they still under represented in the work and political spheres? Yes. So even if you had an argument, the main point still stands.

W.r.t the poor white folk, odds are distinctly stacked in their favour. Arguably why my story could be declared "easy". Luckily I have enough diversity at work to not preposition myself as a story of rags to riches because I have folk in the leadership team who escaped the war in Iraq and now earn millions, so I'd be a bit out classed :D
 
dLockers said:
Your grandfather was likely conscripted to fight for the country he loved and to the benefit of those who loved. Imagine the thousands he fought alongside that didn't give a toss but were paid a pittence, buried in an unmarked grave and forgotten.


lol. Exactly the problem with half the people on the forum. This "source; me, my personal experience" BS is so tiring to see constantly.
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Intersting response. Proving some examples you think bolsters your position would have been better, but that would requre them to exist in the first place.
 
Twinz said:
Intersting response. Proving some examples you think bolsters your position would have been better, but that would requre them to exist in the first place.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6174241/ - Unconscious Bias exists.
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com...ent-of-the-evidence-for-effectiveness-pdf.pdf - Unconscious Bias training is effective for awareness (something many in this thread are desperately in need of), and effective at implicit bias. It also calls out the shortcomings, like what is observed in this thread - when bias is pointed out people get hostile and point the finger elsewhere.

More work to be done but we didn't start off with hybrid supercars did we. It was a progressive thing. We didn't just all declare one day we are no longer bias and the world is a better place.

Edit: What Coke has done here is not at all in line with the latest thinking on UBT, just to be totally clear. It absolutely misses the point on the backfire issue raised in multiple studies on the matter.
 
dLockers said:
Being 'black' transcends skin colour. It can also describes people who have very limited understanding of their heritage as they can only go back a generation or two before they hit "traded in a live market and shipped over by a celebrated white man with a statue in the middle of a city centre built on the same slave labour".
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The majority of black people in the UK come from Africa and have no ancestors that were owned by white people.
But they are far more likely to have ancestors that were slave traders than any indigenous Europeans.
 
dLockers said:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6174241/ - Unconscious Bias exists.
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com...ent-of-the-evidence-for-effectiveness-pdf.pdf - Unconscious Bias training is effective for awareness (something many in this thread are desperately in need of), and effective at implicit bias. It also calls out the shortcomings, like what is observed in this thread - when bias is pointed out people get hostile and point the finger elsewhere.

More work to be done but we didn't start off with hybrid supercars did we. It was a progressive thing. We didn't just all declare one day we are no longer bias and the world is a better place.
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The "solutions" are at issue here. The "good" training you speak of...what examples of such training do you contend are good?
 
Why even lump all the BAME people together, anyhow?

Surely the end goal for this is:
"You should hire this many people from Bangladesh.
"You should hire this many people from China.
"You should hire this many people from Senegal.
"You should hire this many people with one arm.
"You should hire this many people with a third nipple.
"You should hire this many people who are deaf.
"You should exactly match your workforce composition with the composition of the UK population.
Or else."

I mean, surely Chinese, Somalian, South African, Indian, South Korean can't all be considered the same thing, and discriminated against in the same way.

We surely need league tables of discrimination!

Does the one-armed Chinese out-rank the lesbian Somalian pirate?
 
Twinz said:
The "solutions" are at issue here. The "good" training you speak of...what examples of such training do you contend are good?
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There are 18 studies referenced in the data you asked for, go and have a look for yourself. I can only speak for my own personal experiences that my training at two employers was good. Not without challenging questions at the end, but good.
 
jpaul said:
optional? you don't work for the BBC then, they announced their new diversity plan, we are jointly financing
- Doctor Who and a coke advert have common ingrediants.

https://bbc.com/diversity/documents/bbc-diversity-and-inclusion-plan20-23.pdf
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Would be rather awkward for some media orgs looking at "quotas" or targets if they included say "Jewish" etc.. woke ideology is quite easily full-on antisemitism when the exact same logic is applied there.

They don't seem to consider that perhaps there isn't some big conspiracy of "patriarchy" or "white supremacy" that needs to be corrected for any more than there is some conspiracy of "jews control the media" etc... perhaps some groups have a preference for some jobs or perhaps there are different work ethics, values, abilities within different groups.... not everything needs to be representative of the general population.
 
dLockers said:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6174241/ -
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I can only assume your being paid 'six figures' for your looks because your intellect appears to be a bit wanting.

Much like your previous effort you don't have to go beyond the start of your first link to see that your best attempts at copy pasting links do not help your non arguments.

All your first link shows is the unsurprising finding that homo sapiens have an in group biases and that such groups can form around a wide range of societal, poltical, ethnic etc identities.

All homo sapiens are of course susceptible to these biases and it's got nothing to do any more with being white then any other skin colour (same goes for religion, political belief and any of the numerous other ways humans associate in groups)
 
Caracus2k said:
I can only assume your being paid 'six figures' for your looks because your intellect appears a bit wanting.

Much like your previous effort you don't have to go beyond the start of your first link to see that your best attempts at copy pasting links do t really help your no arguments.

All your first link shows is the unsurprising finding that homo sapiens have an in group biasing that such groups can form around a wide range of societal, poltical, ethnic etc identities.

All homo sapiens are of course susceptible to these biases and it's got nothing to do any more with being white then any other skin colour (say goes for religion, political belief and any of the numerous other ways humans associate in groups)
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Love the random insult slinging. Know what that is a sign off? ;)

The bit you trimmed off my quote says exactly what you took 4 paragraphs to say. It simply confirm it exists. What is your point? Try and keep it to fewer than 4 paragraphs next time please.
 
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