Codecs issues

Energize · 6 Dec 2006 at 17:10

james.miller said:
well thats a huge assumption isnt it? i dont care wether the pack is illegal because, and here's the important bit, i dont NEED it. ffdshow does it all so why do i need more?

When did I say you needed it?

james.miller · 6 Dec 2006 at 17:22

Energize said:
When did I say you needed it?

If I worried about everything like you people do I don't think I'd be able to get through life lol.

That's your assumption, not wether i need it or not.

Energize · 6 Dec 2006 at 18:38

Yes but you said you didn't need it, which doesn't relate to what I was saying.

THE CHOPPER · 6 Dec 2006 at 18:56

Tony Williams said:
K-Lite Mega Codec Pack!

I second that , this codec pack sorted all my problems out. I class it as essential

Tony Williams · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:09

THE CHOPPER said:
I second that , this codec pack sorted all my problems out. I class it as essential

Amen.

At the end of the day (like I said before) it's down to the end user to be honest it's down to a matter of opinion. Some people might find it easier or make full use of the tools, some people just plain hate it. It's kinda like Marmite but without the the nice taste (but we wont go into that!)

I feel like that this thread is going no where or is just going to turn into a flame war. They'll always be someone that disagrees and can usally back it up with a good enough reason.

Said my peace.

squiffy · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:11

THE CHOPPER said:
I second that , this codec pack sorted all my problems out. I class it as essential

Clueless. I use a HTPC which lots of different video files and no need to install lots of codecs. FFDSHOW will have sorted out, most likely.

Stop giving out bad advice Tony.

this_is_gav · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:11

Threads like these rock. You really get an idea over who to listen to for advice

Energize · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:13

squiffy said:
Clueless. I use a HTPC which lots of different video files and no need to install lots of codecs. FFDSHOW will have sorted out, most likely.

Stop giving out bad advice Tony.

People prefer different things get over it.

squiffy · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:16

Energize said:
People prefer different things get over it.

Features of K-Lite Codec Pack 2.80 FULL version :

• Player :
- Media Player Classic (latest build from Celtic_Druid)
• FFDShow :
- FFDShow [rev. 571]
- extra plugins
- FFDShow VFW interface
• DirectShow video filters :
- XviD [version 1.2.0-dev build 2006-11-08]
- DivX [version 6.2.5.34]
- On2 VP6 [version 6.4.2.0]
- On2 VP7 [version 7.0.10.0]
- MPEG-1 / MPEG-2 (Cyberlink) [version 6.0.0.3402]
- MPEG-1 / MPEG-2 (InterVideo) [version 7.0.27.191]
- MPEG-1 / MPEG-2 (DScaler5) [version 0.0.8.0]
- MPEG-1 / MPEG-2 (Gabest) [version 1.0.0.3]
- MPEG-1 / MPEG-2 (MainConcept) [version 1.0.0.78]
- MPEG-1 / MPEG-2 (Ligos) [version 4.0.0.77]
• VFW video codecs :
- XviD [version 1.2.0-dev build 2006-11-08]
- DivX Pro [version 6.4.0.51]
- x264 [rev. 578]
- Windows Media 9 VCM [version 9.0.1.369]
- On2 VP6 [version 6.4.2.0] [Encoding]
- On2 VP7 [version 7.0.10.0] [Encoding]
- Intel Indeo [version 5.2562.15.54]
- Intel Indeo [version 4.51.16.2]
- Intel Indeo [version 3.24.15.03]
- Intel I.263 [version 2.55.1.16]
- Huffyuv [version 2.1.1 CCE Patch 0.2.5]
- I420 (Helix) [version 1.2]
- YV12 (Helix) [version 1.2]
• DirectShow audio filters :
- MP3 (Fraunhofer) [version 1.9.0.311]
- AC3/DTS/LPCM (AC3Filter) [version 1.11]
- AC3/DTS/LPCM (InterVideo) [version 7.0.27.191]
- MP1/MP2 (MainConcept) [version 1.0.0.78]
- Vorbis (CoreVorbis) [version 1.1.0.79]
- AAC (CoreAAC) [version 1.2.0.575]
- AAC (3ivX Pro) [version D4 4.5.1]
- MusePack [version 1.0.0.3]
- Monkey's Audio [version 1.00]
- WavPack (CoreWavPack) [version 1.0.3]
- FLAC (illiminable) [version 0.73.1936]
- Voxware MetaSound [version 1.0.0.12]
- AAC encoder (3ivX Pro) [version D4 4.5.1]
• ACM audio codecs :
- MP3 (Fraunhofer) [version 3.3.2]
- MP3 (LAME) [version 3.97]
- AC3 (ffcHandler) [version 1.3.1]
- Vorbis [version 0.0.3.6]
- DivX

Audio [version 4.2.0.0]
• DirectShow source filters :
- MP4 splitter (Haali Media Splitter) [version 1.6.338.23]
- MP4 splitter (Gabest) [version 1.0.0.3]
- Matroska splitter (Haali Media Splitter) [version 1.6.338.23]
- Matroska splitter (Gabest) [version 1.0.2.9]
- Ogg splitter (Haali Media Splitter) [version 1.6.338.23]
- FLV splitter (Gabest) [version 1.0.0.1]
- MPEG-TS splitter (Haali Media Splitter) [version 1.6.338.23]
- MPEG demuxer (Cyberlink) [version 1.0.0.4528]
- MPEG demuxer (Gabest) [version 1.0.0.3]
- MPEG demuxer (MainConcept) [version 1.0.1.20]
- MPEG demuxer (Elecard) [version 1.0.31.51211]
- MP3 Source (DCoder) [version 1.3]
- SHOUTcast Source [version 1.0.0.1]
• DirectShow subtitle filter :
- DirectVobSub (a.k.a. VSFilter) [version 2.37]
- DirectVobSub (a.k.a. VSFilter) [version 2.33]
• DirectShow audio filters (general purpose) :
- Morgan Multimedia Stream Switcher [version 0.9.9]
• Encoding tools :
- LAME CLI and DLL [version 3.97]
- LameDropXPd [version 3.97]
- OggDropXPd [version 1.8.9 aoTuVb4.51]
• Tools :
- GSpot Codec Information Appliance [version 2.60 beta 5]
- Sherlock [version 2.0]
- VobSubStrip [version 0.11]
- GraphEdit [build 041201]
- MMCompView [version 1.10]
- AVI Fixed [version 2.0b1]
- FourCC Changer
- Bitrate Calculator

ROFL! I don't need to say anything more!

Energize · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:19

squiffy said:
Features of K-Lite Codec Pack 2.80 FULL version :

ROFL! I don't need to say anything more!

You didn't say anything, what does quoting the features list show?

this_is_gav · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:20

If you've a need for codec packs, it's because your setup/approach is essentially screwed. The codec pack is a relic of the past when there were hundreds of different formats flying around all vying for a place in your video encoder.

It's not necessary now, and technology has moved on from the days of hundreds of codecs. They're not needed anymore. If your system is in so much of a mess that you resort to essentially bunging a load of files onto it to resolve your playback issues, then you're attacking the problem in completely the wrong way.

Save for encoding itself, the codec is of very little use anymore.

//edit: WTF does that pack have decoders for DivX and XviD for? And then FFDShow on top of that? :\

Energize · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:22

I prefer to install one pack then install each player and encoder seperatley. Plus it covers the chance of ever coming accross an obscure file.

And by the way it doesn't install all that, you choose what to install at the installation wizard.

Tony Williams · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:25

Energize said:
And by the way it doesn't install all that, you choose what to install at the installation wizard.

Good point it's all optional, you're not forced to install what you don't need and correct me if I am wrong but only all of the codecs get installed when you use FULL there are other options too. I have not installed it in a while so I might be a little rusty.

squiffy · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:27

Energize said:
You didn't say anything, what does quoting the features list show?

If you can't figure it out for yourself...if you have any clue about HTPC/video setup's you'll realize 99% of these codecs aren't required. From that list I would need.

FFDShow
MPEG-2, using Theatretek and using TT as the player
FLAC encoder and directshow, only directshow because in Media Portal flac wasen't working. FLAC Works fine in Winamp without the FLAC filter though.
OGG encoder for my encodes.
Realtime Alternative

That's it! oh only need Quicktime Alternative for site browsing, I have no QT movies.

this_is_gav · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:29

So if you choose 1 codec that steps on the toes of another, does it automatically deselect it?

For instance, if you decide to install the DivX decoder, does it stop you from installing the XviD one? It's not so bad if that's the case - otherwise it's just a quick fix for people that haven't got a clue what does what, so whack on a collection of dodgy material.

Energize · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:30

squiffy said:
If you can't figure it out for yourself...if you have any clue about HTPC/video setup's you'll realize 99% of these codecs aren't required. From that list I would need.

FFDShow
MPEG-2, using Theatretek and using TT as the player
FLAC encoder and directshow, only directshow because in Media Portal flac wasen't working. FLAC Works fine in Winamp without the FLAC filter though.
OGG encoder for my encodes.
Realtime Alternative

That's it! oh only need Quicktime Alternative for site browsing, I have no QT movies.

Yes but not everyone has the same uses as you, a lot aren't required but thats why it doesn't install them by default.

So if you choose 1 codec that steps on the toes of another, does it automatically deselect it?

For instance, if you decide to install the DivX decoder, does it stop you from installing the XviD one? It's not so bad if that's the case - otherwise it's just a quick fix for people that haven't got a clue what does what, so whack on a collection of dodgy material.

Divx and xvid are 2 different codecs so it doesn't stop that, it does however stop you installing multiple versions of the same codec and ones that will conflict or ones that are pointless to have when another codec that does the same thing is installed.

this_is_gav · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:42

They are different codecs that do the same thing. You don't need XviD and DivX decoders, one always takes precedence over the other (usually DivX stamping on good ol' Xvid). So why does it let you install both?

Energize · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:44

Some divx certified devices such as dvd players and portable video players won't play xvid properly, thats one reason off the top of my head.

this_is_gav · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:49

But that's encoding, not decoding.

Sorry to say mate, but as I said above, these threads really do sure you who to listen to for advice.

Energize · 6 Dec 2006 at 20:52

Xvid has some features that divx can't decode and xvid isnt compatible with all forms of divx. Hence both decoders.