Codemasters: this gen of consoles is not powerful enough

dirtydog · 4 May 2007 at 14:08

Kamakazie! said:
There is nothing wrong with a smooth 30fps framerate. It is the slowdown and tearing that causes the problems.
Of course i would prefer 60fps. It is an easier play and usually feels perceivably smoother, however, it is not the making/unmaking of a game.

Plenty of people are of the opinion that 60fps is highly desirable for certain genres of games, like racing and fighting games. For me, especially this gen, anything less is not acceptable.

But...

This thread isn't really for revisiting the whole 30fps vs 60fps debate and there is a specific thread for that purpose which I linked to at the start of this thread

This thread is more for discussing why Codemasters feel the consoles aren't powerful enough.

When developers make a game, what they should do (and what good developers *do* do) is design the gameplay, set a target rate of 60fps and then design the graphics around this goal. Make the graphics fit the framerate, until the graphics are as good as they can be while maintaining this framerate and not dropping frames.

What seems to happen nowadays is devs design the graphics first, make them as detailed as possible, throw in all effects including the kitchen sink, and then as an afterthought see what framerate they end up with. That isn't good enough

Mr Men · 4 May 2007 at 14:24

dirtydog said:
I am not saying that 30fps is 'unplayable', I am saying that it is adequate, but that it is a compromise.

Can we leave the FPS now, its adequate at 30FPS

dirtydog · 4 May 2007 at 14:27

I think we deserve better though. Would you want an adequate girlfriend?

Adequate:

Barely satisfactory or sufficient

http://www.answers.com/adequate&r=67

Psyk · 4 May 2007 at 15:57

dirtydog said:
I think we deserve better though. Would you want an adequate girlfriend?

Hell yeah! It's better than no girlfriend.

Mr Men · 4 May 2007 at 16:22

dirtydog said:
I think we deserve better though. Would you want an adequate girlfriend?

If you had bought the console I would maybe agree, but you aint, so you really dont deserve anything

JUMPURS · 4 May 2007 at 16:31

Psyk said:
Hell yeah! It's better than no girlfriend.

But do you want one who is pretty but 'adequate' in bed, or do you want one slightly less pretty but great in bed. You decide

dirtydog · 4 May 2007 at 16:33

Mr Men said:
If you had bought the console I would maybe agree, but you aint, so you really dont deserve anything

I did ask trolls to stay out of my thread

Mr Men · 4 May 2007 at 16:39

dirtydog said:
I did ask trolls to stay out of my thread

Well why do you deserve anything on a machine you have not bought? you don't. Comparing FPS in a racing game to a girlfriend is not trolling? You already concluded Codies were lazy and thats why this game is going to be an adequate 30FPS.

Abooie · 4 May 2007 at 17:06

dirtydog said:
What seems to happen nowadays is devs design the graphics first, make them as detailed as possible, throw in all effects including the kitchen sink, and then as an afterthought see what framerate they end up with. That isn't good enough

I'm not really sure where this thread is going.

I think the devs are probably right, the 360 and PS3 aren't capable of running Dirt / GT:HD graphics at 60 fps with Forza physics.

So what do people want?

Forza 2, nah, it looks rubbish..
Dirt, nah it's not 60fps and is too arcadey..

Me thinks some people are going to have to wait until the next generation...

i-bert · 4 May 2007 at 17:08

At the end of the day its all down to money.Todays gaming market is massive and to sell a next-gen game they need to have next gen graphics to show on the box.

The pro 60fps/v-sync crowd are such a minority that developers won't make it a priority early on in a consoles life.

I don't like it but i'm willing to put up with it and i'd have missed loads of good games on the 360 if i'd let some minor flaws bother me that much.

Its all to easy to sit in the back shouting about how good it was back in the good old days,and you could think you know everything there is to know about the games,but if you arn't playing them then your opinion is worth nothing.imo

dirtydog · 4 May 2007 at 17:16

smcshaw said:
I'm not really sure where this thread is going.

I think the devs are probably right, the 360 and PS3 aren't capable of running Dirt / GT:HD graphics at 60 fps with Forza physics.

So what do people want?

Forza 2, nah, it looks rubbish..
Dirt, nah it's not 60fps and is too arcadey..

Me thinks some people are going to have to wait until the next generation...

I don't think anybody has said Forza 2 looks 'rubbish' - I haven't. I don't think it looks anything especially great but it isn't rubbish.

The last gen CMR games managed great graphics, 60fps and perfectly good (IMO) physics so why not this generation?

Psyk · 4 May 2007 at 17:26

JUMPURS said:
But do you want one who is pretty but 'adequate' in bed, or do you want one slightly less pretty but great in bed. You decide

I'd take the one with the better personality.

[/clichéd lies]

Abooie · 4 May 2007 at 17:28

Psyk said:
I'd take the one with the better personality.

[/clichéd lies]

Thank god most of our gf's / wives thought this...

*not me of course, I'm gorgeous

Mr Men · 4 May 2007 at 17:31

dirtydog said:
I don't think anybody has said Forza 2 looks 'rubbish' - I haven't. I don't think it looks anything especially great but it isn't rubbish.

The last gen CMR games managed great graphics, 60fps and perfectly good (IMO) physics so why not this generation?

How can you say Forza2 does not look great but then go on to say McRae 05 looked great? LOL keep digging....

dirtydog · 4 May 2007 at 17:33

Mr Men said:
How can you say Forza2 does not look great but then go on to say McRae 05 looked great? LOL keep digging....

Please stop trolling my thread

Mr Men · 4 May 2007 at 17:37

How is it trolling? your making a statement that CM05 has great graphics, so your standard of what passes as great graphics is CM05, therefore for you to then state FM2 does not look great would mean you think FM2 looks worse than CM05, is that what your actually suggesting?

How about you dont post your opinion if you aint man enough to debate it, and less of the petty accusations, your comment that FM2 does not look great is more trolling than anything, but you know that.

And it really is not your thread.

dirtydog · 4 May 2007 at 17:41

Mr Men said:
How is it trolling? your making a statement that CM05 has great graphics, so your standard of what passes as great graphics is CM05, therefore for you to then state FM2 does not look great would mean you think FM2 looks worse than CM05, is that what your actually suggesting?

How about you dont post your opinion if you aint man enough to debate it, and less of the petty accusations, your comment that FM2 does not look great is more trolling than anything, but you know that.

And it really is not your thread.

Do I need to spell it out in words of one syllable for you?

CMR 2005 has great graphics for the Xbox, as well as 60fps and good gameplay / physics.

Forza 2 would look better if it was on the Xbox but it isn't, it is running on MUCH more powerful hardware so it needs to be judged in that context.

Mr Men · 4 May 2007 at 17:43

dirtydog said:
Do I need to spell it out in words of one syllable for you?

CMR 2005 has great graphics for the Xbox, as well as 60fps and good gameplay / physics.

Forza 2 would look better if it was on the Xbox but it isn't, it is running on MUCH more powerful hardware so it needs to be judged in that context.

troll

thought this thread was about Codies on the next gen? now your rattling on about xbox and FM2, and FPS....

i-bert · 4 May 2007 at 17:44

Every CMR game since CMR2 has been crap.They have had the worst physics out of all the rally games i have played.

dirtydog · 4 May 2007 at 17:46

Mr Men said:
troll

thought this thread was about Codies on the next gen? now your rattling on about xbox and FM2, and FPS....

For me to justify why I think the 360/PS3 CMR games should be 60fps with good graphics, I am pointing out that the Xbox achieved this.

How the hell you can think this is trollling is absolutely beyond my comprehension.

I have asked you nicely to stop ruining this thread but you persist. I have RTM'd your posts and hopefully the mods will do something about you this time.