Codemasters: this gen of consoles is not powerful enough
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How do you find out what fps xbox games run at?
This comes as little suprise to me.. After all Colin McRae DiRT is a rubbish game.. 
But in all fairness they are right. The trouble with HD is you loose a fair amount of processing power just on filling the extra pixels.. If a 360 / PS3 was able to run Games in standard def youd seem a massive jump in frame rate..
However this is only an excuse partly after all the "HD" and next gen barrier is more than resultion. 2048 x 2048 textures, normal maps, parallax mapping, per pixel lighting, soft shadows, high resolution shadow maps and a host of post processing fx all require a lot of power to run..
360 and PS3 games are still not being optimised as well as they could be. Largely due to new engines having to be written for this gneration which just havnt had time to optimised..
Give it a year and those engines will be on there 2nd and 3rd title, and we should start seeing truly well optimised games pushing the hardware as well as it can be..
Just look at God of War 2 on PS3.. that really shows what the PS2 is capable of but its taken almost 5 years after the PS2 has matured to get to that level.
PS. Colin McRae DiRT is rubbish.. but not only becuase of its limited bland dull environments with almost no variation. Its rubbish becuase of the way it plays.. (its just Toca Race Driver 2 rebadged and muddier)
At least thats my thoughts.
But in all fairness they are right. The trouble with HD is you loose a fair amount of processing power just on filling the extra pixels.. If a 360 / PS3 was able to run Games in standard def youd seem a massive jump in frame rate..
However this is only an excuse partly after all the "HD" and next gen barrier is more than resultion. 2048 x 2048 textures, normal maps, parallax mapping, per pixel lighting, soft shadows, high resolution shadow maps and a host of post processing fx all require a lot of power to run..
360 and PS3 games are still not being optimised as well as they could be. Largely due to new engines having to be written for this gneration which just havnt had time to optimised..
Give it a year and those engines will be on there 2nd and 3rd title, and we should start seeing truly well optimised games pushing the hardware as well as it can be..
Just look at God of War 2 on PS3.. that really shows what the PS2 is capable of but its taken almost 5 years after the PS2 has matured to get to that level.
PS. Colin McRae DiRT is rubbish.. but not only becuase of its limited bland dull environments with almost no variation. Its rubbish becuase of the way it plays..
(its just Toca Race Driver 2 rebadged and muddier)At least thats my thoughts.
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nintenjo said:PS. Colin McRae DiRT is rubbish.. but not only becuase of its limited bland dull environments with almost no variation. Its rubbish becuase of the way it plays..
At least thats my thoughts.
I take it you've been doing some work experience at Codemasters?
Or was it "a mate"?
I highly doubt it plays like TOCA 2 but we shall see. I didn't dislike what i played of TOCA 2 anyway, but i really can't see a next gen rally game playing anything like it.
If it is **** then there is always Sega Rally
Kamakazie! said:I take it you've been doing some work experience at Codemasters?
Or was it "a mate"?
I highly doubt it plays like TOCA 2 but we shall see. I didn't dislike what i played of TOCA 2 anyway, but i really can't see a next gen rally game playing anything like it.
If it is **** then there is always Sega Rally
Dont forget Toca Race Driver 2 has a rally mode in it..
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nintenjo said:PS. Colin McRae DiRT is rubbish.. but not only becuase of its limited bland dull environments with almost no variation. Its rubbish becuase of the way it plays..
At least thats my thoughts.
i love comments like this, true fanboy comments on a game thats not even out.
good work
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nintenjo said:Dont forget Toca Race Driver 2 has a rally mode in it..
I highly doubt it plays anything like the rally mode of TOCA 2. Never played much of that but it gets slated everywhere you read about it.
Codemasters have done a great job on the gameplay of the previous CM games so why would they **** this one up so badly?
Or are you just not a fan of the CM games and/or it was an early build?
Either way i shall wait for the reviews and demo and see for myself.
All racing games need to be 60fps....
if not they are missing that extra special feel of a 60fps game.. Regardless of how loaded they are with lighting detail blah blah blah...
You just cannot beat the silkyness of a 60fps racing game.. yeah i know gfx arn't everything, but on racing games, i dunno to me it's real important.
It's one of those things that still amazes me as to how some people, it doesn't bother them.. ??
unfortunately so too, otherwise developers would do what they need to, to make them 60fps..
But they think ah what the hell, it's only a small band who get upset, I included.
It can be done, look at Burnout Revenge, Forza2, Gran Turismo, RR7...
I still do enjoy a racing game if it's 30fps such as motorstorm, but when I first saw the demo which sony were parading, when it was running at 60fps, I was in awe,, when i got motorstorm on launch day, i was left feeling graphically dispointed.. that disapointment can then lead its way to being dissapointed with the gameplay .. So yes it does matter.
Next gen is all about gfx, ... so please all developers of all future racing games,, do you utmost to make them 60fps.
if not they are missing that extra special feel of a 60fps game.. Regardless of how loaded they are with lighting detail blah blah blah...
You just cannot beat the silkyness of a 60fps racing game.. yeah i know gfx arn't everything, but on racing games, i dunno to me it's real important.
It's one of those things that still amazes me as to how some people, it doesn't bother them.. ??
unfortunately so too, otherwise developers would do what they need to, to make them 60fps..
But they think ah what the hell, it's only a small band who get upset, I included.
It can be done, look at Burnout Revenge, Forza2, Gran Turismo, RR7...
I still do enjoy a racing game if it's 30fps such as motorstorm, but when I first saw the demo which sony were parading, when it was running at 60fps, I was in awe,, when i got motorstorm on launch day, i was left feeling graphically dispointed.. that disapointment can then lead its way to being dissapointed with the gameplay .. So yes it does matter.
Next gen is all about gfx, ... so please all developers of all future racing games,, do you utmost to make them 60fps.
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Vixen said:
That was me, on the wrong account.
As has been said, the consoles are relativly young and we will probably see vast improvements on fps and game engines as the developers learn what they can push out of the hardware, its happened on every console previous has it not?
Not necessarily. There are plenty of examples of exceptions to that rule. The Dreamcast for example had mostly 60fps games throughout its life. 30fps games were so rare that it would be something that would be mentioned in game reviews as not being very favourable. Ironic when it is now almost standard and reviewers gloss over it.Fortyseven said:
On the Xbox, PGR was 60fps and it was a launch game. Its sequel a year or so later was 30fps. In other words, the low framerate can sometimes be a deliberate choice by the devs, either to squeeze in more graphical details or simply to make their job easier so they can be lazier and/or get the game out quicker.
To sum up: there is no guarantee that the 360/PS3 generation will improve in this regard, later on in their lives.
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McManicMan said:i love comments like this, true fanboy comments on a game thats not even out.
good work
you shouldn't jump to conclusions. He may have a vested interest in one game and a naturally dismiss another, but you would too if they were the competition and not up to the standards set in your product.
Out of anyone here I would listen to Nintenjo's view on console related game development. He experiences the pros cons etc first hand. the rest of us just debate on second or third hand information.
I would be surprised if that wasn't the case, if I look at some of the latest games on PS2 compared to early games the difference is quite big, why wouldn't it be the same for the next gen consoles?dirtydog said:
Kronologic said:
you shouldn't jump to conclusions. He may have a vested interest in one game and a naturally dismiss another, but you would too if they were the competition and not up to the standards set in your product.
That would be a fanboy statement then, if he works for another game a rival to DIRT then makes sense he is not going to big up DIRT is he....so its a comment worth not a lot, if what you say is true.
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Mr Men said:
From what I know of nintenjo is that he is honest if he felt DIRT was a good game he would not say otherwise. If the game he was working on was not as good as another game I'm sure he will say something like
"We tired to do xyz, but it didn't work out as well as gameabc's implementation" or words to that effect.