Codemasters: this gen of consoles is not powerful enough
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why are people saying rally (some saying racing games) need to be 60fps, motorstorm is 30fps yet it still feels incrediably fast when you hit the boost (and general racing aswell) it does not take from the expierence at all, and thats a good example.
tomanders91 said:
That's what I was thinking, Rally games are jerky by nature so don't need 60fps as much as a full on racing sim does, imo anyway. Of course I know that there is a noticeble difference with 60fps but I wouldn't hold that against the game.
dirtydog said:
Look at it this way DD,
720p = 400% more pixels to draw
Therefore the 360 has to be 400% faster than the Xbox just to produce graphics that are exactly the same as last gen (albeit at a higher resolution).
So in order to improve on the graphics, (other than just the resolution) this generations consoles need to be far more than 400% more powerful than last gen.
I think what Codemasters are saying makes a lot of sense.
GordyR said:
same here
anyway id much rather have a better all round game than one that just focuses on the graphics
the games need lengthy gameplay and good online mode to keep me intrested, not just some shiny graphics.
/controversial
but its why i much prefer RFOM to GOW
i alos cant understand how people can say the physics in dirt are poor just form watching some short trailers ?
surely you need to play it or watch allot more of it , looks no different to forza from trailers of both that ive seen
What is your take on Forza 2's graphics then - the in-game ones that is, which run at 60fps (versus the photo mode ones, or the replay ones which run at 30fps, both of which are a lot better - I guess the fact that they felt they needed to downgrade the replay speed also could back up Codemasters' words). Bearing in mind what you've said above, do you agree with me that apart from the 400% higher resolution and the doubled framerate, the graphics are actually not all that much improved from Forza 1? After all, the graphics in Forza 1 were in fact very good for the Xbox.GordyR said:
Look at this pic and tell me that Forza 2 has got significantly better graphics than Forza on the Xbox... http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9257389&postcount=915
Is that the sort of compromise the 360/PS3 need to suffer to produce a good framerate?
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I've watched the same (gameplay) videos and came to a different opinionTeletraan-82 said:Why not pick a better screenshot, than possibly the worst one that's been released so far?
I'm sorry, I've watched numerous HD vids of Forza 2 - it IS significantly better than Forza 1.
We will have to agree to disagree. I have played Forza for many hours and I know how good it looked on the Xbox. I don't see much improvement in FM2, apart from the 400% higher resolution and the 100% higher framerate.Because it makes my point more clearly than any other I've seen to date, although I have yet to see a single gameplay screenshot or video of FM2 which has wowed me. Let's not beat about the bush. That car looks abysmal.manoz said:
That is how I feel too. Considering how powerful the new gen consoles are, we should be gobsmacked by the graphics but instead for me it's ... is that all you've got?
dirtydog said:
Sorry my bad, was just going off of what teletraan said and forgot your take on the GFX
. It is rather uninspiring, the shader on the cars look a bit messed to me, specially on the bonnet view, it's too shiny almost mirror like. Car paint is meant to change in reflectivity according to the angle you view it. It's like they forgot to tick the "fresnel falloff" option in the material maker. EDIT: Also on some cars, the smoothing looks naff. But that just me.
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See how we can disagree in a civll manner without resorting to calling each other trolls and other names. Others could follow this example...Teletraan-82 said:Suits me, I'm sure I will still hold the same opinion when I'm actually playing it though
The rest of them are here... http://xboxyde.com/news_4286_en.htmlTeletraan-82 said:Why not pick a better screenshot, than possibly the worst one that's been released so far?
Lots of poor ones there to take your pick from. Turn 10 seem to have pared the quality to the bone to keep the framerate up.
On the FM2 graphics front,
How can I put this politely? Anyone saying it's no better then FM1 clearly lacks any common sense..
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when people claim something so ludicrously innacurate, you just have to dismiss their opinion as obviously invalid..
The developers have stated most of the technical graphical improvements over FM1 many many times over on FM.net.. and if you look at the video's you can see these 'improvements' in action...
Here's just a few
1. Higher polygon count models
2. A massive increase draw distance
3. A massive increase in track assets
4. HDR
5. Real time 'shading' (shadows)
6. Dynamically lit Real time reflections
7. 60fps in-game (FM1 was 30fps)
8. 30fps reflections (FM1 was 15fps)
I will however concede that looking at the myriad of screenshots, it's not always apparantly obvious since most of the improvements are dynamic, but then anyone with common sense would know this...
Do remember that when comparing racing games from any era, they all have a car(s),track and some assets (in most places tracks are very devoid of interesting scenery), so content of screen shots is largely going to be the same. All developers can do is try and artifically glitz things up.. and this is one of the biggest problems.. it seems that FM2 is removing the 'glitz' in in some areas, and replacing it with more realistic effects.. the net effect may actually look not so in you face artificial.. but it is an improvement..
I'll leave you to all the bickering, please go on and on argueing over how FM2 is the same as FM1 based on a handful of screenshots who's age/game build is not known.. I think I can find some where the driver is not present or has the lowest res helmet known to man.. perhaps that would give you the proof you so desperately need..
How can I put this politely? Anyone saying it's no better then FM1 clearly lacks any common sense..
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when people claim something so ludicrously innacurate, you just have to dismiss their opinion as obviously invalid..
The developers have stated most of the technical graphical improvements over FM1 many many times over on FM.net.. and if you look at the video's you can see these 'improvements' in action...
Here's just a few
1. Higher polygon count models
2. A massive increase draw distance
3. A massive increase in track assets
4. HDR
5. Real time 'shading' (shadows)
6. Dynamically lit Real time reflections
7. 60fps in-game (FM1 was 30fps)
8. 30fps reflections (FM1 was 15fps)
I will however concede that looking at the myriad of screenshots, it's not always apparantly obvious since most of the improvements are dynamic, but then anyone with common sense would know this...
Do remember that when comparing racing games from any era, they all have a car(s),track and some assets (in most places tracks are very devoid of interesting scenery), so content of screen shots is largely going to be the same. All developers can do is try and artifically glitz things up.. and this is one of the biggest problems.. it seems that FM2 is removing the 'glitz' in in some areas, and replacing it with more realistic effects.. the net effect may actually look not so in you face artificial.. but it is an improvement..
I'll leave you to all the bickering, please go on and on argueing over how FM2 is the same as FM1 based on a handful of screenshots who's age/game build is not known.. I think I can find some where the driver is not present or has the lowest res helmet known to man.. perhaps that would give you the proof you so desperately need..
I didn't say "it is no better than FM1"Demon said:
Find me a post where I said that. You can't, because I didn't say that. I did however say it didn't look much better to me, apart from the higher res and framerate. I see others on the Forza forum have said the same sort of thing.So the car reflections still don't run at full speed? lol it gets worse.