US: Community!!!

Hasn't been for a long while. I don't think I'll bother with this season, which is something I have said about a lot of American comedy lately.
 
I will defend season 3 to the death if I have to, but it seems the lack of Dan Harmon is going to be felt in ways I never even imagined it'd be this season.
 
Didn't enjoy it at all really. Didn't feel like Community at all. I really hope it was just a 'bad' episode and that the rest of the season isn't like this, otherwise I'd almost rather not bother.
 
You get the distinct impression that they're trying to kill it off. It's one of the best shows on TV, but from the off it's been treated with disdain by NBC. I don't know if America just doesn't get it (it's not as 'easy' as your average American sitcom), if the expectation was too much or if it's just a bunch of NBC network idiots throwing their weight around, but I'm starting to think that the best thing that could happen is for NBC to dump it and for someone else to pick it up and run with it... and for someone to give it proper coverage over here.
 
Would be interesting if someone tried to make a UK version of it like the US does with UK sitcoms, though to be fair it would probaly just end up pretty much being Spaced... not that that is a bad thing.

But yes a fantastic show, one of the few where I've streamed it and then gone out and brought the DVDs just because I want to support it. Quite clever dialogue, some fantastic ways of having the characters interfact and I love it when they mess about with different styles of media. On the down side they seem to be taking the mick with Pierce's character and I miss the days when Britta could stand up for herself rather than just being a walking schadenfreude for the end of S3 espeacially.
 
A reasonable episode, hopefully it gets better.

This was pretty hilarious:

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I'm currently burning my way through season 3, after getting through 1 and 2 in the past few weeks. I'm quite reserved about Season 4, what with Chevy Chase leaving near the end of the season... and with the original showrunner leaving, and the exec producers changing... seem's like a massive upheaval took place or something! If it's not up to par for even the slightest moment, I'm probably going to weep myself to sleep.

I absolutely adore this show, it's the first program in a long while that I've watched and I've genuinely cried with laughter. The references are so brilliant, and the characters are all just too awesome for words. Even Shirley and Britta, the kill-joys of pretty much every funny moment, have their scenes! It's a really well produced TV show and I sincerely hope it gets the acclaim it deserves with it's 4th season and it garners an audience, which allows it to continue going on... for years and years and years and years to come.

I've also found myself saying "Cool. Coolcoolcool." an awful lot now...
 
Woody__ said:
Good bit of context here. Feeling slightly better about it now.
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That makes me feel worse, guys who got more involved in series 2 and were most senior in three, and taught everyone how to write the show as it was being written end of series 3 make an episode this bad. Being most experienced doesn't mean being best, and ultimately I think this is where a LOT of shows fall down. The best writers on a great new show get offers to get WAY more money on an established show that needs fresh blood, so the best writers leave, then you have the crap left over, thinking they are the best, pushing their idea's and the show becomes worse.

At least thats how it feels in this situation, the show has totally changed from series 1, the characters have all become almost only their "biggest" character trait as the show started. Ahbed is now nothing but mental, Pierce is a complete crack pot/racist/stupid/retarded when his character was far more interesting in series one, from the apologise to Shirley going to the wrong bench parts, to the teaching her to make a public speech. He was a good guy who did daft things because he's a bit insane, now he's insane, not likeable and generally not funny either.

What the new guys needed to do was come in, and re-establish the dynamic from the first season, but instead its just gone further the way its been going for the last couple seasons, which combined with them saying they are letting the couple writers who have been their the longest "teach" everyone how to do it, suggests to me its those couple writers that have been taking Community in the wrong direction and that interview only reinforces the idea that the show will move further in the direction its been going....

It was a poor episode, not a single part of Ahbed's dream world was funny, at all, the dean stuff is getting creepier and creepier while at the same time less and less funny, most of the "competition" wasn't funny.

What was funny was, I had this fear that we would get a bunch of new people who would want to do standard sitcom stuff. And the opposite turned out to be true. All the new people came in, and they could not wait to do Community-style stuff. It was me and Megan and some other veterans who were almost standing against the tide, saying like, "Wait, wait, wait, you can't just do movie parodies. You can't just do silly things. It has to speak a universal truth. It has to adhere to the emotional core of these characters." Honest to God, I found myself saying, "Guys, the Dean doesn't have to wear a dress every time he walks into the room." [LAUGHS] "Guys, we can't just do Cocktail for the sake of doing Cocktail. There has to be something true about why we're doing Cocktail."
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This comes across as the most pretenctious pile of **** in the article, the lead writer/producer seem be, well, retarded. They had to comment on Harmon being fired, by making a crap episode, you can't do a movie tie in episode unless there is "truth" in it? They've pushed the characters away from being the original characters, but extreme narrow versions and they used to simply write good episodes with frequent movie themes, because it gave direction, something the show massively lacks right now.

If you look up who wrote in series 1 and 2 thats since left(many not there for series 3 and even more now), and who was there as the show got worse, its in particular this pretentious sounding a-hole, trying to make statements and seemingly trying to be different to the guys who did series 1, rather than trying to make a good show.

Honestly that interview, and looking up who left and the episodes they wrote leaves me with very little hope for the series.
 
drunkenmaster said:
That makes me feel worse, guys who got more involved in series 2 and were most senior in three, and taught everyone how to write the show as it was being written end of series 3 make an episode this bad. Being most experienced doesn't mean being best, and ultimately I think this is where a LOT of shows fall down. The best writers on a great new show get offers to get WAY more money on an established show that needs fresh blood, so the best writers leave, then you have the crap left over, thinking they are the best, pushing their idea's and the show becomes worse.

At least thats how it feels in this situation, the show has totally changed from series 1, the characters have all become almost only their "biggest" character trait as the show started. Ahbed is now nothing but mental, Pierce is a complete crack pot/racist/stupid/retarded when his character was far more interesting in series one, from the apologise to Shirley going to the wrong bench parts, to the teaching her to make a public speech. He was a good guy who did daft things because he's a bit insane, now he's insane, not likeable and generally not funny either.

What the new guys needed to do was come in, and re-establish the dynamic from the first season, but instead its just gone further the way its been going for the last couple seasons, which combined with them saying they are letting the couple writers who have been their the longest "teach" everyone how to do it, suggests to me its those couple writers that have been taking Community in the wrong direction and that interview only reinforces the idea that the show will move further in the direction its been going....

It was a poor episode, not a single part of Ahbed's dream world was funny, at all, the dean stuff is getting creepier and creepier while at the same time less and less funny, most of the "competition" wasn't funny.



This comes across as the most pretenctious pile of **** in the article, the lead writer/producer seem be, well, retarded. They had to comment on Harmon being fired, by making a crap episode, you can't do a movie tie in episode unless there is "truth" in it? They've pushed the characters away from being the original characters, but extreme narrow versions and they used to simply write good episodes with frequent movie themes, because it gave direction, something the show massively lacks right now.

If you look up who wrote in series 1 and 2 thats since left(many not there for series 3 and even more now), and who was there as the show got worse, its in particular this pretentious sounding a-hole, trying to make statements and seemingly trying to be different to the guys who did series 1, rather than trying to make a good show.

Honestly that interview, and looking up who left and the episodes they wrote leaves me with very little hope for the series.
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On the bright side he does acknowledge on of the main flaws with that episode in that they tried to do too many stories ending up with them all being pretty week. I quite enjoyed the nod they gave to whats been going on behind the scenes with the "sitcom" in Ahbeds head and while the games weren't well executed its was no more ridiculous than anything else thats happened, if they'd cut the Britta/Troy Shirley/Annie arcs and put those characters and time save into the main two it could have turned out much better.
In short just hoping its a dodgy start and now they've got the awkward stuff out of the way they can get back to form.
 
Some of season 3 was the best there is. Watched ep 1 again from s4 and enjoyed it more second time.

I found the same with season 3. Just rewatched the time-line episode again from season 3. It's one of the best in all the seasons.
 
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