Computex 2017: My thoughts and of course images of show girls

JediFragger said:
Looks a great option to me, and no more ambiguity over whether it will perform well or not!! That's worth a fair few quid on its own imo :cool:
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Yes, I've asked 8 Pack to test in X299 in both dual and quad. In theory in dual it should be good for around 4600MHz and around 4000MHz in quad, but we shall see.

The advantage of Samsung B die is it has fantastic compatibility so works in such a large amount of mainboards and different chipsets, then it has the flexibility of being able to run extreme tight timings and high speed or totally outrageous speeds if you slacken timings. The only downside is Samsung B die does not come cheap, but the saying goes, you get what you pay for and with Samsung B die it is 100% true!
 
JediFragger said:
Yup, but a sweet 7920X build is going to last a loooooong time, so it's a worthwile investment is can get them to 4Ghz :cool:
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Yes absolutely as Samsung B die is maxing out the IC, so on X299 frequencies or latency won't improve over time so X299, 7820 or 7900, some 8 Pack RAM is a very future proof build indeed. All those cores and MHz will last for some years to come. :)
 
8 Pack said:
The Samsung b die can't go 4GB only 8GB sticks. So performance on 4GB sticks will not be as good in terms of timings or speeds.

We are discussing now how to get 4GB sticks in a decent performance sku.
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This, those who crave best performance and OC then it has to be Samsung B die which means 16Gb dual kit or a 32Gb quad kit, which if your planning X299 quad channel you need to go for 32Gb if max performance/overclock is a priority.
 
Carbon Copied said:
Fair enough chaps - the board and CPU I'm looking to pair the Dark Team specifically to is the ASUS Edition 10 / 6850k so although not on the QVL for top end speeds (which I understand is that risk) it should still function towards that threshold. If there is going to be a x4 8gb flavour of the 3000/3200 Quad Team Group Dark available then I might take a punt on those - equally though would putting several Dual Channel x2 4gb sets together be wise/unwise as an alternative? I'll be honest that I'm being drawn to them more on an aesthetic level for my project.
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Yes this also works fine.

People need to understand there is no such thing as a dual or quad channel only kit. You can buy a quad channel and split it for two different systems for example. You can buy two dual kits and run them quad channel.

The reason manufacturers list quad channel separately is because quad channel is more demanding on the IC and CPU, as such say a dual kit that runs 4600MHz in dual, if you buy two 4600MHz dual kits and then install in quad channel, you won't get 4600MHz because the IC of the CPU is not capable of achieving this.

However if you buy two dual 4133MHz Samsung B die, they would most likely run 4133MHz quad channel.

So buying the 8 Pack 3200MHz dual kit x2 to create quad channel is absolutely fine, it will run 3200MHz in quad channel without breaking a sweat, in fact its good for around 4000MHz with slack timings.

As myself and 8 Pack keep saying, Samsung B die it the bees knees, it is one of the best IC's in memory to come out, it has such amazing flexibility, crazy tight, or lax with crazy frequency, loves both dual and quad setups, its simply a superb IC and Samsung know it, hence why they charge us so much more for it, but in this instance you really get what you pay for. :)
 
Carbon Copied said:
@Gibbo much appreciated for the heads up just wasn't entirely sure whether they would break the mould and cause issues with them being at the higher end of the market; an order is inbound. Did ping a trust message to you re-heatsinks (not sure if received you've probably got your fair share of incoming traffic to deal with) - can direct to the sales team if needed.
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My trust is disabled, no time for that, haha.

We have Kingston, TeamGroup who more than have the market covered, G.Skill is more unique for the top-end which is where it sits nicely, otherwise it becomes a case of where do we stop when were partners with Corsair, Kingston, GeIL, TeamGroup, Crucial and now G.Skill, trying to stock all becomes a logistic nightmare, and the saying really is true. "Less is more" !

Another G.Skill video to enjoy:

 
Simon Belmont said:
Wait, so my 32gb x4 Corsair white LED 2666 dual channel ram will work with 7820x 8c 12t Skylake X on a x299 board that says it only supports quad?

Is that right?
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Absolutely! It is why when Ryzen was launched and so many memory manufacturers were releasing Ryzen memory, it is all total BS, there is no such thing as Intel or AMD only memory. Memory is memory!

So your x4 modules will run in quad channel for sure, whether they will do 2666MHz though is unknown, but until you try you will not know, worse case is they'd no doubt do 2400MHz quad for sure.
 
Fanatic said:
Cool. Might wait and see if the 32GB quad channel kit is better value for money vs buying 2x 16GB kits.
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I'd buy 8GB modules, as these are Samsung B die, so if your overclock it gives best performance. Though saying that I think some Ryzen mainboards still have issues with 4 modules installed, so a bit of catch 22.
 
Fanatic said:
Sorry I meant buying 2 dual channel kits vs 1 quad channel kit. Thought maybe the quad channel kit might be few quid cheaper :). 4x8GB sticks either way.
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Could do, until my kits are made up I won't know, but typically they would be pretty much double the price within a few quid.
 
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