Concrete driveway advice (pics included)

yours isnt forwards of the principal elevation of the house anyway
its at the rear isnt it?
and new builds dont have drains because i would imagine
they have a 4-6 inch gap with gravel around the edge
to remove the water instead of a drain
which is what your bunch of likely lads should probably do too
i sure wouldnt rely on them giving it a gentle slope towards the gutter

Yep it's at the rear of the property.

Yes some products which don't look porous are very impressive


Well I doubt Persimmon use that on their driveways as I've never seen that happen.
 
your estimate is a little high imo

20m2 @ 100mm deep will take 2 cubic metres of concrete £300 to £350 ish for proper concrete, not the cheaper concrete used for backing up kerbs etc...
(picture a 1m x 1m cube, 100mm goes 10 times to the height, so 1 cubic metre at 100mm deep = 10m2, at 50mm deep you will get 20m2)

Old conrete is recycled, so only labour and diesel to drive to the tip
actually recycled concrete is often used a hardcore, its called crushed concrete

whole job will easily cost less than £400 (i am being generous here ((if done correctly))

At present 1 cubic metre of concrete is more than enough for whats dug out

All its cost the builder so far is labour and about £20 diesel and any hardcore he probaly bought

Well it's just been 2 guys, the guy who came to quote - the gaffer and another chap. Tiny pile of yellow dolomite and the metal rebar grid which is actually quite thin, and about 3 hours work if that.
 
If the french drain provides a run off to porous land within the curtilage of the dwelling and does not for example simply lead to a drain then yes it is sufficient. The theory behind it is similar to the development site I described before the water runs off the hard surface and into the porous garden. Where in time it slowly leads to the water table or local stream rather than exiting directly into the drains and overloading the system.

The property is a 100 year old terrace house with a soft garden at the front and a concrete back yard. It would have always had a concrete or hard surface back yard since it was built and the back yard originally housed the outside toilet and coal house. Same with every other house in the street. Most houses in the street now have a variety of extensions built, garages, driveways, etc. All hard surface and no drain at the edge. Just their normal household drains for waste water and gutters from the roof.

Now because I have decided to replace some of the old knackered concrete like-for-like, I have to start putting in new drains in case I cause a flood?
 
Another weird thing is he keeps asking me when I'm back at work. Now I'm think that is because he wants me out the way so he can complete his bodge job without me seeing what he's doing.
 
your estimate is a little high imo

20m2 @ 100mm deep will take 2 cubic metres of concrete £300 to £350 ish for proper concrete, not the cheaper concrete used for backing up kerbs etc...
(picture a 1m x 1m cube, 100mm goes 10 times to the height, so 1 cubic metre at 100mm deep = 10m2, at 50mm deep you will get 20m2)

Old conrete is recycled, so only labour and diesel to drive to the tip
actually recycled concrete is often used a hardcore, its called crushed concrete

whole job will easily cost less than £400 (i am being generous here ((if done correctly))

At present 1 cubic metre of concrete is more than enough for whats dug out

All its cost the builder so far is labour and about £20 diesel and any hardcore he probaly bought

Basically instead of paying reputable tradesmen £1100 for a £1100 job, I'm paying cowboys £700 for a £400 tops job.
 
Oh and I've just had it confirmed that they are indeed travellers. Looked at the gaffers FB profile and he's at a funeral, the type traveller type have, over the top. Then while checking out the profile of the deceased and other tagged people, they all appear to come from Ireland.
 
Be prepared for some aggro if you tell him to **** off, if he does just ring the police and say he is aggresive and you feel threatened.

Its upto you OP, how you are going to proceed
Either tell him you want 100mm of concrete (not including hardcore) as agreed and you will be checking the excavated depth, you will be present when they are pouring the concrete, and you want to see a receipt for the concrete to make sure its suitable for a driveway (and not the cheap stuff for backing up kerbs)
if he agrees to this i would let him finish it imo.
but be wary in case half way through pouring the concrete he doesnt come and ask you for extra money to complete the job, excuse like i underestimated the cost and need to add more money to finish the job (travellers call this bouncing a job)

if he disagrees then tell him you are not happy and you dont want him to finish the job, offer him £100 to cover his expenses and be firm but polite.
Threaten him with trading standards and/or police if he refuses to leave.
he wont want them involved as they will ask him for tax numbers/ vat numbers etc....

you are breaking no laws afaik as you are willing to pay for reaonable expenses while he is doing shoddy work.

Thanks for the info. I'm going to make sure it's at the correct depth first and I've told him that the concrete is not coming until I've inspected the ground and happy with it.

He's getting no more money from me so if he tries to bounce the job half way through the pour then I'm quite willing to tell him to pack up and leave. Same if the rest of the dig out depth isn't correct. I've no problem paying fair expense to get rid of him if that is the case.
 
and to check the depth all over
couple of pins/sticks/canes etc and string/rope thats longer
than the diagonal distance of the plot
make sure 1 corners correct depth and put the pin there
push down till string is just touching the ground
mark them say 4 inches from the bottom
so you know both will be going in same depth
you can then leave the 1st pin in the corner
and pivot the other to measure any part of the plots depth
winding the string in/out as required
that sounded complicated lol
but its pretty simple you probably get what i mean

Cheers but there's eyesight in it that its no where near deep enough or level. :)
 
oh we can clearly see that from the photos lol
still handy to have the pins and string ready just in case
so if they do a bit of work and they shove it around a bit with a landscape rake
and say look its level/deep enough now

Yeah I know what you mean, they were trying that trick yesterday when they were here for like an hour.
 
And you guessed it! They didn't show up today and no concrete wagon either so obviously not booked.
 
They have been this morning and have dug a bit more out, compacted it with a machine, chucked some of that yellow stuff down and compacted it a bit more and have took most of the waste away. Still some in the barrow they have left. They say they are going to do some finishing touches tomorrow morning like cut that old washing line pipe next to the man hole cover down and cut a straight line where it meets the old surface on the top right of the photo and trim that flag stone down where the little water meter chamber is on the pavement. Again, they only did 2 hours work and I don't know why they couldn't have done these jobs now while they were here! Then it's supposed to be ready for the concrete after that. The ground looks deeper but don't think it's 100mm deep.

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if they finish it and get paid
no matter what happened afterwards
he wouldnt see them in the future lol
not called bodgeit and scarper for nothing :)

I doubt they would come back, probably wouldn't answer the phone even. Frankly I wouldn't want them back!
 
Yep they have left it like that but to be honest the old concrete surface in the yard was in such a bad state that someone could have tripped over that too if they ventured off the public footpath.

I suppose paying cheap I'm getting a cheap job even though I didn't ask for a cheap job.
 
The idea of only getting the bottom done was because that was the worse and the other two areas of the yard had obviously been done in the past and were still good. All this area was going to be used for was parking car on. I already have a private south facing front garden but the way the street is, there is no road access at the front just a footpath that looks over onto a park.

The concrete is down now and while they spent about 3 hours getting it poured and level I admit it isn't 100% perfect but it does make the yard and indeed the rear elevation of the property look 100% better compared to what was there before. Will also look better once I finish painting the walls in Sandtex Plymouth Grey.

I agree that anyone can park as there is no dropped kerb but I will be looking into that soon at some point. If the council were to come and take random action they would have to do the same with nearly every other property in the street.

If it lasts a few years then fine, maybe then I'll look at getting the whole yard done but I'll be really careful on who I employ to do it!
 
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Are you happy with it?

I had some smug **** park a big 4x4 in front of my drive blocking me in over Christmas. Did it right in front of me with her two kids in tow visiting a neighbour of mine. I confronted her as she got out the car and she said could park there as it's not a dropped kerb.

It was at that point I decided I didn't care how much it cost, I was getting my drive done properly and the kerb dropped.

Happy as I can be but nothing more I can do about it now. Happy that I have a 'tidy' yard and that I won't be tripping over uneven surface, getting my shoes dirty, and controlling weed growth. :D

Yes I've had people park in front blocking me in when they could see my car was in there in the past. Ironic thing is they are friends/family of neighbours who are in the same situation, back yard driveways/garages with no dropped kerb.

EDIT: Did you get your kerb done? If you don't mind what was the ballpark figure?
 
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I don't have any paperwork and not sure if any was handed over to the cowboys doing it. Nothing was handed over before the pouring started but I went indoors before they finished. It was delivered by a company called 3 C Services Ltd and it had like different hoppers on the back of the truck and I assume it was mixed as it came out and not like a ready mix truck. I did notice however that the first few barrow loads were very watery.

They didn't tie it in with the old concrete with rebar rods but not sure how important that is.

What I thought I might have had a problem with was the payment but they seemed happy when I mentioned bank transfer. Which I thought was unusual for traveller types. He messaged me his bank details last night but I haven't paid yet. I might do it after this cup of tea or I might do it tomorrow. :p
 
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They had to trim some off the old slab as it sort of petered out at the end and was thin almost like someone had ran out of mix.
 
Obviously not talking grand canyon sized crack but means water gets in and when it freezes cracks it a bit more
Probably some alcoholic or junkies bank account to avoid tax they will just give them a bottle or fix for putting the money through it

It was some random personal TSB account in someone's name which I found out to be one of his sons after doing a little research. Although I entered their trading name as the payee on my banking, whether that makes a difference or if it bounces back for being the wrong account name?

It was included in the cost of the drive. Paid £4500 in total.

Thanks, think I read somewhere that some approved council contractors charge £150 per kerb which seems cheap. I'd need 5 and a half dropped.
 
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