Condensation and water in double glazed windows

[Flake87]

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I did a full refurb of all of my timber kitchen windows when I moved in, including a pretty serious rot repair. It isn't anywhere near as simple as UPVC but it is possible and the results are epic.

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x20 with 64 to go

Nice work, but I'd have used smaller beads and a wider spacer bar for the glazing which improves noise reduction. Everyone should be able to do what you have done, but alas many won't even try.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

Nice work, but I'd have used smaller beads and a wider spacer bar for the glazing which improves noise reduction. Everyone should be able to do what you have done, but alas many won't even try.

I hadn't even considered that (but will do when I do the 64 panels in the Oak sash windows - thanks!). For the job pictured, I had only planned to replace the panels that needed it. The numpty of a previous owner caught almost every single ******* pane with sand paper and scratched them).

By the time I had finished I had retained about three ******* panels of the 20+. And what's worse? The panel pictured blew last week. So needs to be replaced anyway

 

[Flake87]

I hadn't even considered that (but will do when I do the 64 panels in the Oak sash windows - thanks!). For the job pictured, I had only planned to replace the panels that needed it. The numpty of a previous owner caught almost every single ******* pane with sand paper and scratched them).

By the time I had finished I had retained about three ******* panels of the 20+. And what's worse? The panel pictured blew last week. So needs to be replaced anyway

On the ground floor always replace with laminated which makes it far more difficult for a burglar to enter the property, it's also law now on all new properties. Remember this is 6mm thick so the spacer needs to be 2mm narrower.
The one thing which scratches glass better than anything is diamond rings, so if someone regularly cleans the glass wearing a diamond rings, that's how they get scratched.

UV (sunlight) kills these units so make sure all the black is covered by beading / rebates, but you can still expect less life from the sun facing ones than the ones out of the sun.

 

[Johno please?]

Does anyone know if timber framed double glazing its possible to change the glass panels?

Thinking about getting timber framed double glazing in my new house. (to match the timber framed glazing at the back.)

Sure, if you have money to burn, I don't see any benefit to fitting wooden windows these days, I have seen some fancy ones around though, but like I said, the cost of them was eye watering.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

On the ground floor always replace with laminated which makes it far more difficult for a burglar to enter the property, it's also law now on all new properties. Remember this is 6mm thick so the spacer needs to be 2mm narrower.
The one thing which scratches glass better than anything is diamond rings, so if someone regularly cleans the glass wearing a diamond rings, that's how they get scratched.

UV (sunlight) kills these units so make sure all the black is covered by beading / rebates, but you can still expect less life from the sun facing ones than the ones out of the sun.

I'll take a pic at some point; a diamond ring I could cope with. It is literal sanding marks like he was using 40 grit to take the old paint off the beading but thought glass was absolutely scratch resistant. Every. Single. Pane. Inside and outside. I'm talking 100+ panes. Absolute mug, couldn't believe it.

 

[Flake87]

Sure, if you have money to burn, I don't see any benefit to fitting wooden windows these days, I have seen some fancy ones around though, but like I said, the cost of them was eye watering.

My wooden windows are over 100 years old and there isn't a plastic frame on the planet going to last that long! Worse than that, while they used to be repairable now they aren't and they may need replacing every 15 years.

So lets say 1 wooden frame (which is just about the most planet friendly solution possible) or 6 PVC frames which are just about the most planet unfriendly solution. The Acoya ones are pricey but they are extremely rot resistant.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

My wooden windows are over 100 years old and there isn't a plastic frame on the planet going to last that long! Worse than that, while they used to be repairable now they aren't and they may need replacing every 15 years.

So lets say 1 wooden frame (which is just about the most planet friendly solution possible) or 6 PVC frames which are just about the most planet unfriendly solution. The Acoya ones are pricey but they are extremely rot resistant.

This.

It is a real shame my surveyor "condemned" my oak sash windows. Anyone else would have torn them out for ugly UPVC units, conservation area or not. A bit of care, replacement spiral balances, and they are as good as new (despite twattys sanding error as previously mentioned )

 

[DB_SamX]

Yes but that is paying them probably £120 to do what you could do yourself.

I see. Yeah, I'll look into it a bit more before committing to the work.

 

[Johno please?]

Worse than that, while they used to be repairable now they aren't and they may need replacing every 15 years.

You know repeating something doesn't make it true right? Like I said....the actually PVC frame itself will last for decades, its the hardware/glass that fails, which a lot of the time is replaceable.

I think my parents PVC windows are getting on for 30yrs old, 99% of the locks are still good and my dad has had to change some hinges and sealed units, which you will have to do on any window regardless of what the frame is made from.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

You know repeating something doesn't make it true right? Like I said....the actually PVC frame itself will last for decades, its the hardware/glass that fails, which a lot of the time is replaceable.

I think my parents PVC windows are getting on for 30yrs old, 99% of the locks are still good and my dad has had to change some hinges and sealed units, which you will have to do on any window regardless of what the frame is made from.

Someone (and again I echo your point about repeating it ) said that the new UPVC units have an unserviceable gasket. So you can replace the glass but the gaskets are single use and 'irreplaceable' meaning the entire unit is scrap.

 

[flea.rider]

when we bought my mums place kitchen window was bad .. went to pull the glass and it was stuck into the frame solid ..lol .. so just replace the whole thing myself ..

 

[Johno please?]

Someone (and again I echo your point about repeating it ) said that the new UPVC units have an unserviceable gasket. So you can replace the glass but the gaskets are single use and 'irreplaceable' meaning the entire unit is scrap.

Its true that cant be replaced as its extruded into the frame but it will last an extremely long time. Well more than the 15yrs claimed.

 

[Flake87]

You know repeating something doesn't make it true right? Like I said....the actually PVC frame itself will last for decades, its the hardware/glass that fails, which a lot of the time is replaceable.

I think my parents PVC windows are getting on for 30yrs old, 99% of the locks are still good and my dad has had to change some hinges and sealed units, which you will have to do on any window regardless of what the frame is made from.

Oh dear, people who can read but not comprehend. The old units are not the same as the new ones, and that's the crux of it. Go back and read once again and see what I have written and try to understand it a little better.