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Considering Upgrade to 2070S

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My current setup is an I7 6700K (overclocked to 4.5GHz), Asus Z170 Pro Gaming motherboard and a GTX 980, with a 1440p monitor. I'm considering upgrading to an RTX 2070 Super, which from what I've read should give me a good performance boost and not be especially held back by my CPU.

Of course, there is the prospect of the RTX 3000 series on the horizon, so I have a couple of questions. Admittedly, both of them are going to require pure speculation but I thought I'd at least canvas opinions:
  1. Are the 3000 series cards likely to be significantly bottlenecked by the rest of my system? I have no real interest in upgrading the CPU at the moment.
  2. Are prices of the 2000 series cards likely to drop when the 3000 series comes out?
Ultimately I just want to know if it's worth me waiting for several more months or if I should just pull the trigger now...
 
1. Will depend on the game, if it needs 6+ cores to run well, then yes, otherwise not so much.
2. They might, could be some EOL deals happen, but nvidia cards seem to sell out so quickly I'm not sure they will. If the price/performance is far superior then it shouldn't matter either way.
 
Next-gen consoles coming in late fall/before Christmas have more powerfull GPU than 2070 Super.
Se deduce from that how prices of current cards should fall.
 
EsaT said:
Next-gen consoles coming in late fall/before Christmas have more powerfull GPU than 2070 Super.
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do they though ? I cant see how it's possible to cool such a card in a tiny box
I'm not buying this 4k next gen console marketing surely it's going to be something like 1080p upscaled to 4k ? and a low mhz gpu to keep temps down ?
 
C64 said:
do they though ? I cant see how it's possible to cool such a card in a tiny box
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TSMC's 7nm node and improvements in architecture.
Specs (including Tflops) of both consoles are known.
And if you haven't paid attention those consoles aren't going to be exactly the smallest.
 
C64 said:
do they though ? I cant see how it's possible to cool such a card in a tiny box
I'm not buying this 4k next gen console marketing surely it's going to be something like 1080p upscaled to 4k ? and a low mhz gpu to keep temps down ?
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Yes easily. It just shows us how overpriced the rtx 2000 series is, don't forget it's 2 years old now too.
3060 would be a nice pairing with your CPU.
 
Op is monitor freesync? Could move over to a 570 or 1650. It's an awful time to buy a 2070 super, price has crept up with covid-19, 6 months ago they were at today's 2060 super prices, grim :(

Save for a 3070 super or better :)
 
Nope, don't have Freesync. A better monitor is another potential purchase in the future...

Sounds like it would be best to wait for now. Was just worried that a next-gen card would be overpowered in my system but if not I'm happy to wait!
 
It'll be kick ass powerful in your current comp, a great reason to jump on board the Ryzen 4000 train when they release at end of year too :)

Start picking out mobo's and ram!
 
Hi, exactly in the same boat I have an i7 [email protected] with 980ti built this around 5 years ago, I want to get the Samsung G7 240hz 1440p monitor having 240hz feels like I will future proof myself even if i cant get near it right now and 980ti wont work with gsync compatible that support only starts from 10 series been looking at open boxes or used 2070 s or 5700xt missed few open box 5700xt aftermarket ones which sold for £275-£300 looking at the benchmarks it runs games great at 1440p

IMJ said:
My current setup is an I7 6700K (overclocked to 4.5GHz), Asus Z170 Pro Gaming motherboard and a GTX 980, with a 1440p monitor. I'm considering upgrading to an RTX 2070 Super, which from what I've read should give me a good performance boost and not be especially held back by my CPU.

Of course, there is the prospect of the RTX 3000 series on the horizon, so I have a couple of questions. Admittedly, both of them are going to require pure speculation but I thought I'd at least canvas opinions:
  1. Are the 3000 series cards likely to be significantly bottlenecked by the rest of my system? I have no real interest in upgrading the CPU at the moment.
  2. Are prices of the 2000 series cards likely to drop when the 3000 series comes out?
Ultimately I just want to know if it's worth me waiting for several more months or if I should just pull the trigger now...
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IMJ said:
My current setup is an I7 6700K (overclocked to 4.5GHz), Asus Z170 Pro Gaming motherboard and a GTX 980, with a 1440p monitor. I'm considering upgrading to an RTX 2070 Super, which from what I've read should give me a good performance boost and not be especially held back by my CPU.

Of course, there is the prospect of the RTX 3000 series on the horizon, so I have a couple of questions. Admittedly, both of them are going to require pure speculation but I thought I'd at least canvas opinions:
  1. Are the 3000 series cards likely to be significantly bottlenecked by the rest of my system? I have no real interest in upgrading the CPU at the moment.
  2. Are prices of the 2000 series cards likely to drop when the 3000 series comes out?
Ultimately I just want to know if it's worth me waiting for several more months or if I should just pull the trigger now...
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CPU won't be a bottleneck for new cards either unless you prioritise framerates, in which case yes - talking >120 fps etc.
For a 3070 chances are we're looking at a November/December launch at best, but ofc nothing's sure. As for older cards dropping in price - nah, forget it.
Here's the hypothetical stack:
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uscool said:
Hi, exactly in the same boat I have an i7 [email protected] with 980ti built this around 5 years ago, I want to get the Samsung G7 240hz 1440p monitor having 240hz feels like I will future proof myself even if i cant get near it right now and 980ti wont work with gsync compatible that support only starts from 10 series been looking at open boxes or used 2070 s or 5700xt missed few open box 5700xt aftermarket ones which sold for £275-£300 which runs games on high 1440p 100fps + or should I just wait
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The problem with 240hz is you're going to be not only CPU bottlenecked but also software bottlenecked - meaning many games are built around lower framerates and scaling up to 240 fps would be very very improbable outside of very niche scenarios. That's assuming you got the best GPU OC'ed & don't mind completely butchering render resolution & graphical effects. Mind you, you could still just be glad to have 240hz in esports titles like CSGO and be fine with whatever else 100+ fps you get in general single-player games. And ofc, if you ever want to turn ray tracing on, forget about fps. :)
 
Poneros said:
CPU won't be a bottleneck for new cards either unless you prioritise framerates, in which case yes - talking >120 fps etc.
For a 3070 chances are we're looking at a November/December launch at best, but ofc nothing's sure. As for older cards dropping in price - nah, forget it.
Here's the hypothetical stack:
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The problem with 240hz is you're going to be not only CPU bottlenecked but also software bottlenecked - meaning many games are built around lower framerates and scaling up to 240 fps would be very very improbable outside of very niche scenarios. That's assuming you got the best GPU OC'ed & don't mind completely butchering render resolution & graphical effects. Mind you, you could still just be glad to have 240hz in esports titles like CSGO and be fine with whatever else 100+ fps you get in general single-player games. And ofc, if you ever want to turn ray tracing on, forget about fps. :)
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But isnt that where Gsync and Freesync come in I dont need to reach 240hz for it to stay smooth ? lets say the 5700xt plays game at 80-100fps it will still look smooth because of freesync ? also its not like its 4K res
 
IMJ said:
My current setup is an I7 6700K (overclocked to 4.5GHz), Asus Z170 Pro Gaming motherboard and a GTX 980, with a 1440p monitor. I'm considering upgrading to an RTX 2070 Super, which from what I've read should give me a good performance boost and not be especially held back by my CPU.

Of course, there is the prospect of the RTX 3000 series on the horizon, so I have a couple of questions. Admittedly, both of them are going to require pure speculation but I thought I'd at least canvas opinions:
  1. Are the 3000 series cards likely to be significantly bottlenecked by the rest of my system? I have no real interest in upgrading the CPU at the moment.
  2. Are prices of the 2000 series cards likely to drop when the 3000 series comes out?
Ultimately I just want to know if it's worth me waiting for several more months or if I should just pull the trigger now...
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If you're looking for high FPS that CPU will choke the crap out of a GPU as fast as that. Sorry to be blunt about it but its best you're given it straight up :)
 
uscool said:
But isnt that where Gsync and Freesync come in I dont need to reach 240hz for it to stay smooth ? lets say the 5700xt plays game at 80-100fps it will still look smooth because of freesync ? also its not like its 4K res
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Yes, true, but I suppose the question I'm thinking of is - if you're never gonna reach 240 fps, then what's the point in paying extra for it? There's also trade-offs being made for a 240hz monitor which might not be as obvious for a let's say 144hz on in terms of response times & overshoot. So my advice would be don't buy a 240hz monitor unless you really want 240hz in particular for something (eg let's say you play a lot of CSGO). Otherwise a 144hz would do just as well (or even better & cheaper).
 
IMJ said:
1. Are the 3000 series cards likely to be significantly bottlenecked by the rest of my system? I have no real interest in upgrading the CPU at the moment.
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Why does it matter if it bottlenecks the rest of your system?

Surely it's better to have an RTX 3000 for £520 (that's so fast it bottlenecks) as opposed to a slower RTX 2070 Super for £520? You're not wasting money because you're still spending the value of an RTX 2070 Super anyway.

Obviously a 3090 would mean wasting money if it bottlenecks you're system (since you're spending more money than you needed) but since you're budget is a 2070 Super, then spending the same budget on a 3000 series GPU can only be a good thing, regardless of it being so fast that it causes a bottleneck.
IMJ said:
2. Are prices of the 2000 series cards likely to drop when the 3000 series comes out?
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The 1080Ti went up in value when the 2000 series launched. Nobody knows how the market will react.
 
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IMJ said:
My current setup is an I7 6700K (overclocked to 4.5GHz), Asus Z170 Pro Gaming motherboard and a GTX 980, with a 1440p monitor. I'm considering upgrading to an RTX 2070 Super, which from what I've read should give me a good performance boost and not be especially held back by my CPU.

Of course, there is the prospect of the RTX 3000 series on the horizon, so I have a couple of questions. Admittedly, both of them are going to require pure speculation but I thought I'd at least canvas opinions:
  1. Are the 3000 series cards likely to be significantly bottlenecked by the rest of my system? I have no real interest in upgrading the CPU at the moment.
  2. Are prices of the 2000 series cards likely to drop when the 3000 series comes out?
Ultimately I just want to know if it's worth me waiting for several more months or if I should just pull the trigger now...
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Your cpu is slow in today's terms but should still be fine.

However I would recommend moving to a platform where you don't need a new socket with every generation.

For example I'm using a b350 motherboard still and a 3600X originally there was a 1700x cpu in there.

I'm also using a 2070 super and as with everything there will always be bigger and better components available on the horizon.

The real question is when will they be available and if its within the next few months it's probably best waiting for them if its longer than 3-6 months then that is a long time to be missing out and the money you would lose on resale isn't a big issue divided over several months.

For example people at my work smoke a 20 pack a day. That's like £13 a day wasted on them.

A gpu like the 2070 super will only lose like £150 over 6 months. Which is akin to £20 a month.

I fully expect to be able to sell mine for £300+ when the 3000 series launches.

Also the amd 5600xt is worth looking at if you want a cheap card to tide you over. Until then. It should be fine with 1440p.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
Why does it matter if it bottlenecks the rest of your system?

Surely it's better to have an RTX 3000 for £520 (that's so fast it bottlenecks) as opposed to a slower RTX 2070 Super for £520? You're not wasting money because you're still spending the value of an RTX 2070 Super anyway.

Obviously a 3090 would mean wasting money if it bottlenecks you're system (since you're spending more money than you needed) but since you're budget is a 2070 Super, then spending the same budget on a 3000 series GPU can only be a good thing, regardless of it being so fast that it causes a bottleneck.


The 1080Ti went up in value when the 2000 series launched. Nobody knows how the market will react.
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Since when did the 1080ti go up in value when the went eol.

They were substantially cheaper. By at least £150 iirc and in some cases £300.

The fact that one card pops up now and again for funny money is because of supply and demand but when they went eol their price dropped.

They went up with the mining boom and shortages.
 
 
CuriousTomCat said:
https://www.techpowerup.com/249273/...ly-is-reportedly-dwindling-prices-on-the-rise

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9l93wg/anyone_notice_1080_ti_prices_rising/

https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-G...tion-and-has-increased-in-price.355321.0.html

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-gtx-1080-ti-prices-are-climbing.html

https://hardforum.com/threads/gtx-1080-ti-sudden-price-hikes.1975407/

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/why-is-a-1080ti-still-super-expensive.18842888/
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From the ocuk thread

Market demand for a popular end of life product. They did drop to £560 when there was a lot of stock to clear.

See they dropped in price. Then rose when they literally only had a handful of stock left to clear for the noobs who didn't know any better.
 
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