same with tlou2 and the uncharted series. and up until recently, hzd. I buy and play console not because of power, but because of the exclusive games.
Console performance vs PCs over time
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same with tlou2 and the uncharted series. and up until recently, hzd. I buy and play console not because of power, but because of the exclusive games.
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That God of War game was fantastic on PS4 Pro with HDR.
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This generation of consoles was the first time I didn't buy one. PC all the way. I only buy them for split screen coop.
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So was zero dawn and uncharted. I guess it's due to them being exclusives?
By all means have both, my post wasn't really in response to that. More that - if it's a choice of one or the other, then the PC is always* going to be the objectively better option.
* When a console:
- Supports M&KB on every game out of the box
- Allows full control customisation
- Allows me the option to play at a desk with M&KB, wheel, HOTAS etc. or on the TV depending on the type of game and how I'm feeling
- Allows me the option of having multiple displays
- Allows me to turn off the horrible post-processing effects designed to cover up poor performance (e.g. Film grain, motion blur, chromatic
abominationaberration etc.) - Has full backwards compatibility (e.g. if I want to play my favourite game from 10 years ago I can do with the click of a mouse rather than having to crawl around in the attic trying to find a dusty old box)
- Allows me to host my own dedicated servers to play privately with my friends
- Allows me to play online without needing to pay even more on top of buying the game and my internet connection
- Allows me to use it for work as well as gaming
- Initial cost - But then depending how many games you buy, this saving can potentially be wiped out within the first year or 2 by the higher price of games. There's also the granular "upgradeability" (probably not a real word
) of PCs to consider - you don't need to buy a whole new system in one go like a console. - Ease of use (i.e. just plug in and play) - Sure, I'll concede this one; PCs have gotten much better over the last few years, but there are still config requirements, compatibility etc. to consider.
- Exclusives - But then that's the whole point of them! And PC has plenty of exclusives too, although they tend to be the more indie games.
Personally I could never have just a console; I need a relatively powerful PC for work, and while that PC doesn't need a decent GPU, I'd rather buy the GPU than spend the same amount on a console for an inferior experience.
But they are trying to kill the reselling of games with "cloud" stores. It may not be possible with the next generation of consoles.
I don't think i've been wowed by console since the Playstaton 1 was relased and seeing Crash Bandicoot being demoed in a Game shop. Prior to this it had to be the N64 with Goldeneye
After the initial days of PS1 (1995/1996), PCs quickly caught up and overtook console graphics and framerates. I think this was down to 3dfx and the general GPU market taking off big time.
PC suddenly had games like Unreal, Quake 2, Half Life and numerous other great titles in the late 90s that could be played with 3d acceleration.
Meanwhile, nothing much really happened with consoles. Other than the Sega Dreamcast which hardly had games like Half Life
After the initial days of PS1 (1995/1996), PCs quickly caught up and overtook console graphics and framerates. I think this was down to 3dfx and the general GPU market taking off big time.
PC suddenly had games like Unreal, Quake 2, Half Life and numerous other great titles in the late 90s that could be played with 3d acceleration.
Meanwhile, nothing much really happened with consoles. Other than the Sega Dreamcast which hardly had games like Half Life
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I don't really buy this idea that an Xbox was twice the power of a PC at launch and was ahead for a year.
Xbox came out November 2001. By that point the GF3 ti500 was already released, so comparing with GF3 is a bit cheeky.
XB basically had a custom GF3, and something like a P3-733/64MB under the hood. We know consoles are more efficient but I would argue that a P4-2ghz with say 512MB RAM and a GF3-ti500 would not be half the speed of an Xbox.
Xbox came out November 2001. By that point the GF3 ti500 was already released, so comparing with GF3 is a bit cheeky.
XB basically had a custom GF3, and something like a P3-733/64MB under the hood. We know consoles are more efficient but I would argue that a P4-2ghz with say 512MB RAM and a GF3-ti500 would not be half the speed of an Xbox.
While I love the PC as a platform, to suggest it's no more expensive than a console is fairly ridiculous. Consoles are cheaper, you can get games second hand for £5 from GAME/CEX and they work all the time, every time you turn them on, that's the point, they're cheap, mass market machines. They are a completely different market to the PC, a console is a £250 box, a decent PC (something that is demostrably better than a console) costs £1000.
Most people have a TV, it gets used by all the household, not everyone has a PC, it'll get used by the tubby bloke who smells of guffs and sits hunched over it for hours in the dark, the monitor is an extra cost and a good one is £400+. Owning a gaming PC is as much about building it, overclocking it, arguing with other weirdos on a forum and filling it with tacky RGB nonsense so it resembles a dutch prostitutes window as it is about playing games.
Most games are now multi plats so the PC's advantage mainly lies with keyboard and mouse input and superior frame rate.
Surely the connoisseur would own both?
Most people have a TV, it gets used by all the household, not everyone has a PC, it'll get used by the tubby bloke who smells of guffs and sits hunched over it for hours in the dark, the monitor is an extra cost and a good one is £400+. Owning a gaming PC is as much about building it, overclocking it, arguing with other weirdos on a forum and filling it with tacky RGB nonsense so it resembles a dutch prostitutes window as it is about playing games.
Most games are now multi plats so the PC's advantage mainly lies with keyboard and mouse input and superior frame rate.
Surely the connoisseur would own both?
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By all means have both, my post wasn't really in response to that. More that - if it's a choice of one or the other, then the PC is always* going to be the objectively better option.
* When a console:
Then I will be more than happy to change my opinion, but as far as I can tell, consoles only have 3 things going for them:
- Supports M&KB on every game out of the box
- Allows full control customisation
- Allows me the option to play at a desk with M&KB, wheel, HOTAS etc. or on the TV depending on the type of game and how I'm feeling
- Allows me the option of having multiple displays
- Allows me to turn off the horrible post-processing effects designed to cover up poor performance (e.g. Film grain, motion blur, chromatic
abominationaberration etc.)- Has full backwards compatibility (e.g. if I want to play my favourite game from 10 years ago I can do with the click of a mouse rather than having to crawl around in the attic trying to find a dusty old box)
- Allows me to host my own dedicated servers to play privately with my friends
- Allows me to play online without needing to pay even more on top of buying the game and my internet connection
- Allows me to use it for work as well as gaming
- Initial cost - But then depending how many games you buy, this saving can potentially be wiped out within the first year or 2 by the higher price of games. There's also the granular "upgradeability" (probably not a real word
- Ease of use (i.e. just plug in and play) - Sure, I'll concede this one; PCs have gotten much better over the last few years, but there are still config requirements, compatibility etc. to consider.
- Exclusives - But then that's the whole point of them! And PC has plenty of exclusives too, although they tend to be the more indie games.
Personally I could never have just a console; I need a relatively powerful PC for work, and while that PC doesn't need a decent GPU, I'd rather buy the GPU than spend the same amount on a console for an inferior experience.
I love it when people say consoles should use mouse and KB. lol
console isn't a pc it's different. majority play on couches. they have standardised hardware. that means controllers. allowing mouse and keyboard would be akin to allowing bionic arms in weightlifting at the olympics. it's a retarded concept as we all know how much more accurate a mouse is over a controller.
therefore it will never be implemented. so why demand it in the first place?
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exactly. when my uncle came over and saw my gaming pc he was surprised they even still made towers. he assumed everyone just used laptops these days.
to suggest everyone has a monitor and work pc at home is laughable.
my PC gaming rig costs like £3K sure I have a high end setup. but even a console and a top OLED tv is half that price.
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slightly out of touch stereotypical view of pc gamers there.
I have all three. All connected to their own display too. The PS4 pro gets used least as it sits in a corner connected to a 27inch 4K monitor. I probably use the PC most due to the power of it and the type of games, but the XB1X gets used for AAA console games like RDR2 as its connected to a 4K QLED and Atmos soundbar.
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Here's a more modern version:
I believe that is a win for the master race. Maybe we should do one on cost?
This is countered by pad players (PC included) having differing levels of aim assist options, or the option to disable it if you want. COD Modern Warfare has Cross-play which you can also turn it off if you like. There is aim assist for non K&M people
I paid around £1800 for my PC 10 years ago. For equivalent performance I’d probably pay £1300 today (invested in brand new SSD and blu ray tech which were stupidly expensive back in 2010). Since then I bought a second hand Xeon, second hand 780ti and second hand RAM plus a new SSD, so maybe another £500. For the a total of maybe 5 years of its life I could play at FullHD maxed out at 60fps. Nowadays not so much, due to the ageing hardware. In this time, 3 console generations came out, so if someone wanted to ’keep up’ would have to factor buying 3 consoles in.
People quoting resolutions alone when comparing consoles to forgetting visual fidelity settings which add a lot of detail vs consoles which are usually low to medium compared to PCs.
in my 10years so far I’ve used my PC to play, work, stream to the whole house and even play games downstairs using a pair of xbox controllers.
in terms of value for money, it has been extremely good, and only this year I’ve started considering an upgrade, due to wanting to play latest title games at high settings.
games wise, I always buy on steam sales, so comparatively cheaper to consoles. Appreciate you could sell hard copies to close that gap, but that means you can’t play the game later on.
People quoting resolutions alone when comparing consoles to forgetting visual fidelity settings which add a lot of detail vs consoles which are usually low to medium compared to PCs.
in my 10years so far I’ve used my PC to play, work, stream to the whole house and even play games downstairs using a pair of xbox controllers.
in terms of value for money, it has been extremely good, and only this year I’ve started considering an upgrade, due to wanting to play latest title games at high settings.
games wise, I always buy on steam sales, so comparatively cheaper to consoles. Appreciate you could sell hard copies to close that gap, but that means you can’t play the game later on.
It's interesting following the shift to WFH that some people just assume you are using a laptop and hence have a webcam for video calls - I work from my PC and don't have a webcam.
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Rubbish.
Even with aim assist a kb and mouse player would destroy a pad player of the same ability.
Which is why famous streamer Dr lupo has been called out many times for using a kb and mouse on console in games with aim assist.
Yes he's a good player but he's using a mouse which makes it very one sided.
I have both but anyone suggesting it's okay to use kb and mouse to play against pads on console doesn't have a clue.
It was meant in jest although my wife says I do smell of guffs.
As to the keyboard and mouse thing, just separate the lobbies in multiplayer and it won't be a problem. I'd like it for the single player stuff mainly.
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