CoolerMaster Stacker 830 V P180
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I've just been reading up on the P180, sounds like a really good case, I don't know what the hell coolermaster did to the stacker, the old design was so much better, I used to work with the old stacker and it was a really good case, the new one just looks awful, what the hell were they thinking!
Yewen said:
The fans at the side, the moveable HD tray, the way the panels come off. The top blowhole cleverly placed and holds 120mm, watercooled easily installed without modding.
The fans at the side can be placed to be pionted over a particular pecie of hardware to support better cooling.
I love how the USB and other bits are placed. A door with 2 hinges so that it can open both ways or remove all together.
A clevery hidden case handle (the scoop). Also the different looks, its challenging.
Video review- http://www.3dgameman.com/content/view/95/48/
Those are pionts just off the top of my head, Im downloading the review to see if theres anything I missed out.
EDIT- Removeable motherboard tray, and the way you install DVD drives ETC is really great, took seconds!
This case has its problems, but if they were solved and the price dropped a little I think its a great case.
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And 9 front accessible 5.25" drive bays! (for those who need em)
As for looks, that's down to personal preference - I actually like it's beefy imposing look (especially the all black one).
For a case that size I wish it had wheels though.
Wheaty, you might want to remove that link - its got competitor links and prices right above the video download link.
EDIT: Just watched the video and the case don't look too bad to work with but from the way it shook, you can tell its a bit flimsy. If you're willing to overlook that it does seem to have quite a lot to offer.
As for looks, that's down to personal preference - I actually like it's beefy imposing look (especially the all black one).
For a case that size I wish it had wheels though.
Wheaty, you might want to remove that link - its got competitor links and prices right above the video download link.
EDIT: Just watched the video and the case don't look too bad to work with but from the way it shook, you can tell its a bit flimsy. If you're willing to overlook that it does seem to have quite a lot to offer.
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None of those are innovative though, features yes, innovative no.
Thermaltake copied someone for most of them years back, and Coolermaster have just put them all into a giant overpriced case.
Get the basics right, if money allows add the extras. Don't get a feature list and try to make a well built case to a price with them, or you end up like the old Thermaltake.
And that review is a joke! He says it has great build quality, yet look when he presses the power button, the case moves in....
I don't trust most reviewers, and that one with the great build quality lost all credability, the amount of people with build quality issues, so another review that says its great and misses the bad points.
Thermaltake have done the side fans, motherboard trays are most certainly not new, the modular bays are a Lian Li cration from years back...
Nothing on that case screams £100+. Price it competatively against the Eclipse 62 and yes it would be a nice fight, but unless its build quality was improved I would take a Super Lanboy over it everytime, unless I needed 9 CD drives, which I have never needed over 2.
Its not a well built case, which is what I go for in a case, its design is reliant on high CFM, which I also hate with a passion, my S80 is running warm to touch on all panels bar the door, the internal pannels are very warm, yet it is cooling very well considering it only has 1 fan running in it at the moment, and is very quiet with it.
Don't beleive everything you read in reviews, especially on cases as I could give you 5 examples of reputable sources saying things about a product that just are not true, and then 5 again from Custom PC mag alone!
Get to see the case first hand, and then make your mind up on it, reviewers are slating the cooling on the S80 for example, yet I have had it cooling well enough to challenge an Eclipse for load temperatures, not beat but challenge!
Don't beleive everything you hear, its a great case, just it falls very short when you compare it to cases half its price, which just is not on.
Thermaltake copied someone for most of them years back, and Coolermaster have just put them all into a giant overpriced case.
Get the basics right, if money allows add the extras. Don't get a feature list and try to make a well built case to a price with them, or you end up like the old Thermaltake.
And that review is a joke! He says it has great build quality, yet look when he presses the power button, the case moves in....
I don't trust most reviewers, and that one with the great build quality lost all credability, the amount of people with build quality issues, so another review that says its great and misses the bad points.
Thermaltake have done the side fans, motherboard trays are most certainly not new, the modular bays are a Lian Li cration from years back...
Nothing on that case screams £100+. Price it competatively against the Eclipse 62 and yes it would be a nice fight, but unless its build quality was improved I would take a Super Lanboy over it everytime, unless I needed 9 CD drives, which I have never needed over 2.
Its not a well built case, which is what I go for in a case, its design is reliant on high CFM, which I also hate with a passion, my S80 is running warm to touch on all panels bar the door, the internal pannels are very warm, yet it is cooling very well considering it only has 1 fan running in it at the moment, and is very quiet with it.
Don't beleive everything you read in reviews, especially on cases as I could give you 5 examples of reputable sources saying things about a product that just are not true, and then 5 again from Custom PC mag alone!
Get to see the case first hand, and then make your mind up on it, reviewers are slating the cooling on the S80 for example, yet I have had it cooling well enough to challenge an Eclipse for load temperatures, not beat but challenge!
Don't beleive everything you hear, its a great case, just it falls very short when you compare it to cases half its price, which just is not on.
Yewen said:
Ok, I agree with the innovative comment I made, but they are some nice features.
I think 95% of people dont really care about build quality, my case just sits there, it only moves if Im cleaning around it or changing/ cleaning hardware. Thats why I think build quality is not THAT important. My MESH steel case has no problems so far, everything is holding up fine.
Build Quality is nice, when you put all of your components in your new case and find out that the case is screwed, not rivited (like the TJ07) its nice. But urm, I dont think that I will ever think about that again.
Im pretty sure the 830 wont fall apart in 2-3years, yes it might recieve a few knocks, but thats because of all the springs and bits.
Thats why Lian Li's design is so timeless, there just so simple. Thats why sometimes I just feel bored with them. What they lack of in features they make up in totally OTT cooling ideas. (Bar the PC7+).
I disagree with what you said about High CFM. All those vents lets the case breathe much much more easily. I run my MESH case without an intake fan and a 120mm exhaust at 5V, and it copes really really well. The temperatures could be better (37C idle with the hot weather, 31-32 Idle in the winter. My Zalman 9500 is 5V'ed aswell). I really dont think that High CFM fans are needed, I dont think fans are needed full stop (in my situation).
Also the sidepanel supports 140mm fans, which are silent and move a nice amount of air. The aerocool (forget thermaltake) fans look and are great performers.
I think nothing on the V1000+ screams 100+. I would be happy to pay around the £90 to 100 mark for it. Also the Lian-Li PC-767 which IMO is a huge flop. Whats so good about it?
9 CD drives? I dont think many people use that. Its for watercooling, without Modding. I for one would in no way want to take a jigsaw to my new Lian Li V****/G70. I dont want to risk messing up my £130-190 case.
I rely on reviews to get an idea of what I'm buying. But I ask people of what they think of the product. I use reviews to get all the good pionts of the product, and user reivews to get all the bad. I agree with you, sometimes reviews can be very very wrong.
Coolermaster are heading in a different directions, they are going mainstream, but still sticking with thier aluminium roots. Can you blame them? Soldham (Windy) just went bust and I think Lian Li have the same fate. Most PC users go "oh thats a nice case" and move on. The PC7+ is a great case for the money, but the rest dont appeal to most people. Coolermaster I think know about this so are gearing up with new designs which are "fashionable" and catch your eye.
The best case manufacturer right now IMO is Antec. But thats because I like cases that are strong and silent.
Whew this was a long post!
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Wheaty said:
I don't agree with that, unless you're including in that 95% people that buy pre-built PCs from chain stores, that never open their case.
Even for simple tasks such as changing drives, or fitting new cards the difference in quality is noticable. I recon every time i've used a cheap case in a build for other people, i've ended up with cuts and shreads on my hand, they're just not nice to work on.
orderoftheflame said:
Sorry I should have re-phrased that-
Im not referring to the £10 cases you get from that Purple PC shop, but just known case manufacterers or pre-built cases (Yes Dell and MESH cases are nice to work on. And the £30 Coolermaster/Antec cases).
They just sit there, and well they dont move about much, with the exception of Lan Party go'ers. Then you dont notice build quality, I look inside my case once or twice a month probably, where does the uber high £130-200 build quality aspect come in?
Lian Li like ATC will probably die out, and because thier designs where so simple they will sell for probably around the same price or a little more than when they were bought.
Coolermaster are probably playing it for the long run.
Gaming cases sell better than quality ones, more kids are into PC's today than five years ago so the case appeal to them, and the old school user has ATCs, Lian Li, Old Coolermasters or Antecs already usually.
I continually slate the PC767, ugly pile of junk with the most horrible join ive ever seen, never even gave it the time of day so no idea why you mentioned that.
v1000+ is built 10x better than the 830, and that is not a overexageration but my opinion, it can be quieter than a 830 aswell with comparable cooling.
Wacko cooling designs, far from it as they all work very well unless your a reviewer who does not read the instructions.
A good case is a joy to work with, looks great and you can actually feel the quality on them to a point, they also tend to look more expensive the more you spend on them, excluding gaming cases of course.
Lian Li will die out, Coolermaster probably make 3 830's for the same as it costs Lian Li to make one S80, so you know who makes more money.
If you have used a decent Lian Li, seen the cases in person even then you would understand why build quality matters, your view on build quality is entirely dependant on the best case that you have used, if you have only used a PC7+ then you see anything below that standard as poor, yet can not see how it could be better, but it can, v1000+, then you think its the pinacle, then you see a ATCs case, then the S80 or a Windy case.
Its all down to what you have used, and afterall this is a cases section of a overclocking forum so the users want the best, and price is not really a concern as people will pay £50+ for a case here. And the Stacker, good as it is when compared to other cases is atrocious, ill come out with it and say it, Vento is not much worse than the Stacker 830, you just build in one and it gets on your nerves, and it just shouts to you price cuts everywhere!
The 830 can fall apart in the first build with the motherboard mounts threading and side panels not fitting and breaking CDrom mechanisms, on the first build.
Not all at the same time, but the only three people I know in real life to ever use this case all sent it back before booting a system, and the OcUK users don't seem to have had much lasting luck with it.
The thread title is 830 V P180, the P180 beats the 830 at everything, everytime, for cheaper.
More needs to be said?
I continually slate the PC767, ugly pile of junk with the most horrible join ive ever seen, never even gave it the time of day so no idea why you mentioned that.
v1000+ is built 10x better than the 830, and that is not a overexageration but my opinion, it can be quieter than a 830 aswell with comparable cooling.
Wacko cooling designs, far from it as they all work very well unless your a reviewer who does not read the instructions.
A good case is a joy to work with, looks great and you can actually feel the quality on them to a point, they also tend to look more expensive the more you spend on them, excluding gaming cases of course.
Lian Li will die out, Coolermaster probably make 3 830's for the same as it costs Lian Li to make one S80, so you know who makes more money.
If you have used a decent Lian Li, seen the cases in person even then you would understand why build quality matters, your view on build quality is entirely dependant on the best case that you have used, if you have only used a PC7+ then you see anything below that standard as poor, yet can not see how it could be better, but it can, v1000+, then you think its the pinacle, then you see a ATCs case, then the S80 or a Windy case.
Its all down to what you have used, and afterall this is a cases section of a overclocking forum so the users want the best, and price is not really a concern as people will pay £50+ for a case here. And the Stacker, good as it is when compared to other cases is atrocious, ill come out with it and say it, Vento is not much worse than the Stacker 830, you just build in one and it gets on your nerves, and it just shouts to you price cuts everywhere!
The 830 can fall apart in the first build with the motherboard mounts threading and side panels not fitting and breaking CDrom mechanisms, on the first build.
Not all at the same time, but the only three people I know in real life to ever use this case all sent it back before booting a system, and the OcUK users don't seem to have had much lasting luck with it.
The thread title is 830 V P180, the P180 beats the 830 at everything, everytime, for cheaper.
More needs to be said?
Yewen said:Gaming cases sell better than quality ones, more kids are into PC's today than five years ago so the case appeal to them, and the old school user has ATCs, Lian Li, Old Coolermasters or Antecs already usually.
I continually slate the PC767, ugly pile of junk with the most horrible join ive ever seen, never even gave it the time of day so no idea why you mentioned that.
v1000+ is built 10x better than the 830, and that is not a overexageration but my opinion, it can be quieter than a 830 aswell with comparable cooling.
Wacko cooling designs, far from it as they all work very well unless your a reviewer who does not read the instructions.
A good case is a joy to work with, looks great and you can actually feel the quality on them to a point, they also tend to look more expensive the more you spend on them, excluding gaming cases of course.
Lian Li will die out, Coolermaster probably make 3 830's for the same as it costs Lian Li to make one S80, so you know who makes more money.
If you have used a decent Lian Li, seen the cases in person even then you would understand why build quality matters, your view on build quality is entirely dependant on the best case that you have used, if you have only used a PC7+ then you see anything below that standard as poor, yet can not see how it could be better, but it can, v1000+, then you think its the pinacle, then you see a ATCs case, then the S80 or a Windy case.
Its all down to what you have used, and afterall this is a cases section of a overclocking forum so the users want the best, and price is not really a concern as people will pay £50+ for a case here. And the Stacker, good as it is when compared to other cases is atrocious, ill come out with it and say it, Vento is not much worse than the Stacker 830, you just build in one and it gets on your nerves, and it just shouts to you price cuts everywhere!
The 830 can fall apart in the first build with the motherboard mounts threading and side panels not fitting and breaking CDrom mechanisms, on the first build.
Not all at the same time, but the only three people I know in real life to ever use this case all sent it back before booting a system, and the OcUK users don't seem to have had much lasting luck with it.
The thread title is 830 V P180, the P180 beats the 830 at everything, everytime, for cheaper.
More needs to be said?
Yes, the P180 would be my choice over the Stacker 830, my argument is that its not a really bad case. Some remarks about it astonished me.
I have seen a V1000+ and a PC60 in real life, and while they do look good, they dont have that wow factor. Also, they are quite loud. I removed the sidepanel and had a peek inside, nothing really caught my eye with the case. Nothing thats £130 worth.
I dont think the V1000+ can match the 830 in the cooling department. Adding 2x120mm Amber fans in both cases and the 830 will yeild much better temps- Everytime.
The stacker 810 was a big sucess, If I wanted a full tower I would pick this over any other case for its value and durability.
I had a 201 for quite some period (XP PC). Although it was nice, and looked stunning I dont quite understand where the hype was. The aluminium chasis stractched easily on the inside and the PSU cage was hell for my Tagan Easycon. I do admit it was a great chasis and the cooling was simple yet effective but I really really did not see anything special about it, just a nice case which was made well.
The piont I'm trying to make is that build quality is not everything. Im as happy now with my generic case as I was with an ATC 201.
Therefore, I cannot jusitfy £100+ on a case.
You may not be able to but others can. 
The 201 was made half a decade before modular PSU's came about, so not entirely fair to say it is a issue that it did not fit.
Cooling is not everything in a case, to a point cooling comes in, but if its stable it does not matter.
The difference between a case temp of 25 and 30 is nothing, but 50 and 55 is a lot. It is all about stability.
You may not like the Lian Li styling, I don't like a fair few of them but they are undoubtedly built an awful lot better than the Stacker 830, its up to the end user to decide if it matters about build quality and you can not really try to persuade people that it does not matter, for me it is everything good about a case, you it is obviously not. If I recommend people cases that fall apart they will come back at me shouting, if I recommend them something solid that is built to last they will not.
If you are wanting to compare comparable cases G70 and the Stacker 830, I think you will find the G70 is the cooler case.
The 201 was made half a decade before modular PSU's came about, so not entirely fair to say it is a issue that it did not fit.
Cooling is not everything in a case, to a point cooling comes in, but if its stable it does not matter.
The difference between a case temp of 25 and 30 is nothing, but 50 and 55 is a lot. It is all about stability.
You may not like the Lian Li styling, I don't like a fair few of them but they are undoubtedly built an awful lot better than the Stacker 830, its up to the end user to decide if it matters about build quality and you can not really try to persuade people that it does not matter, for me it is everything good about a case, you it is obviously not. If I recommend people cases that fall apart they will come back at me shouting, if I recommend them something solid that is built to last they will not.
If you are wanting to compare comparable cases G70 and the Stacker 830, I think you will find the G70 is the cooler case.
Yewen said:You may not be able to but others can.
The 201 was made half a decade before modular PSU's came about, so not entirely fair to say it is a issue that it did not fit.
Cooling is not everything in a case, to a point cooling comes in, but if its stable it does not matter.
The difference between a case temp of 25 and 30 is nothing, but 50 and 55 is a lot. It is all about stability.
You may not like the Lian Li styling, I don't like a fair few of them but they are undoubtedly built an awful lot better than the Stacker 830, its up to the end user to decide if it matters about build quality and you can not really try to persuade people that it does not matter, for me it is everything good about a case, you it is obviously not. If I recommend people cases that fall apart they will come back at me shouting, if I recommend them something solid that is built to last they will not.
If you are wanting to compare comparable cases G70 and the Stacker 830, I think you will find the G70 is the cooler case.
I agree (not much more to say lol).
But the G70 I feel is just a Stacker 810 but all aluminium and more expensive. Also it requires you to cut the case to accomadate watercooling.
The G70 is very very sexy though.