CoolIT Systems - 240mm ECO info

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Hi Everyone,

This is Barry w/ CoolIT Systems. I've been getting quite a few requests for a 240mm version of ECO and am pleased to let you know that we have one in the works for you all.

I just wanted to get a little thread going on here to get a feel for

1. who is interested
2. who of the people who are interested have a chassis that one would fit in (you need 2 x 120mm fans side by side in roof ideally)
3. your price, performance and acoustic expectations

I think there is a real need for this for system builders so we'll be going ahead regardless but we want to make it clear that we are listening to the needs of the market so if you ever wanted a chance to offer some feedback to a manufacturer before everything is finalized... this is it.

Cheers,

Barry
 
miniyazz said:
There's a function ;)

Besides, while admittedly the pump probably shouldn't fail because you've upped the loop resistance, you've also introduced contaminants of varying description that could've contributed to pump failure. While good as a DIY project, you can get much better results building the loop yourself - while being able to replace any one part if it fails - than modding a custom-made 'sealed' unit.

Regardless of whether you can eke out a few more degrees performance by modding this dual-rad loop to use a different radiator, ultimately next-to-no-one is going to do that. People would buy this system to just use, because it has better performance than top-end air cooling. If they want even better performance, in the main they will build their own loop - I would hazard a guess it actually takes more expertise to mod the H50, or one of these, than it does to build a custom loop, so it's a nobrainer unless you're doing it for your own entertainment/bragging rights.
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Miniyazz - home run. A custom 240mm rad setup would yield better results and offer the advantage of modularity but also comes with a considerably heavier price tag and the burden of learning how to assemble, test, install and of course the time required to so do. Swapping out any given component would be possible but then again requires an afternoon to drain, change and refill.

A sealed 240 would exist above any air cooler and a below a custom 240 loop in terms of performance but also in price. It would be considerable less hassle though to get that level of performance though which you have to consider what thats worth. I agree though that modding a sealed system is mainly for fun / bragging rights.

We advocate the use of custom loops, they are the originators of water cooling. While respecting that, we want to offer a product that can provide superior performance to air for those who don't want to spend the time and money getting involved in a custom loop.

You are also correct regarding the tubing length and mounting position. ECO 240 would almost always have to be mounted inside the chassis. I have begun compiling a list of chassis that support 240's and will post it here when I think its complete enough. If you were to mount it outside the case you'd have to cut some pretty big holes to get the block in and have tubing long enough to accomodate that while being short enough to not be too long for in chassis mounts. Not very likely... so lets look at internal mounts only.

For fan selection - we design our own fans which gives us the ability to tune the fan to the fit pitch so what you would end up getting is pretty optimized. We'll compare to some popular fans out there including the apache to make sure we are as good as we can be. Of course, if you dont like our fans you could always swap them out for your own but just know that lots of thought is put into the fan we use in the first place.

Mr. Paul - We have a 16 TEC liquid to liquid loop in the works too. It being design for use in industrial markets, manufacturing, high powered LED's and Lasers but if you want to really hurt a chips feeling with reliable uber sub ambient temps and didn't have a budget... that would be the way to go. Muahhaha.

More feedback!
 
Hey Guys - I've got benchies coming for you. Once were done testing it I'm going to send it out to a couple of you guys to review yourselves and then into OCUK.

Sound good? Who's in for the beta test?
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
Wouldn't the bigger rad need a slightly more powerful pump though?
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That is the right thinking... you introduce restricting with the more stuff you add in the loop - rads blocks whatever it may be and restriction reduces your flow rate but our pump is designed to be able to handle our 240 w/ up to two of our ECO blocks or two of our OMNI blocks. So, nope... no new pump needed =)

Plus we take care of all that thinking for you!
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
I think it's been delayed, looking on the coolIT forums and one of the mods said next week.

Barry seems to have disappeared from here :s
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Hey Guys - haven't disappeared, was just 1. waiting for an update from my product manager and 2. working on my truck all weekend :/

I spoke to the PM this morning and he indicated he would be getting the tests finalized today so you can expect me to post the results this week.

As a little bit of forshadowing, when comparing a 240mm to a 120mm you should not expect the 240 to be twice the price nor should you expect it to be twice the performance. I am hoping it will be able to accomodate 4.0Ghz @ 5 - 10 degrees cooler than the 120mm version and/or be able to handle 4.2 Ghz at the same or slightly higher temps. Of course... all depending on the vcore / overclocker :)

I'll stay on him and have the results up asap.

Cheers,

Barry
 
Tweaker said:
Is there going to be the possibility of mounting fans on both sides of the radiator, do you expect a performance increase from using 4 fans on the rad?
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Yep should be possible. Performance gains will exist but I doubt they will be massive as rad is designed for low CFM. Few degrees for sure though... I'll ping the PM now and make sure that is added to the test plan.

Same guy is also the PM for our upcoming VANTAGE cooler so he is kinda slow atm :/
 
Hey Guys - sorry for the long wait. Results are in and we are going to start taking orders here pretty soon.

Test Conditions:
Intel i7 920 (CO stepping) CPU running at 1.35V (Bios) 1.345V (Actual)
Clocked at: 167*21 = 3507 MHZ

Stress Testing Software: Prime 95 Blend Test
Temperature Readout Software: CoreTemp
Other Software: Asus AI Suite

Ambient Temperature: 24.8 degrees Celsius

Notes:
*All Fans were run at 12V, without regulation
*All configurations were equipped with ECO Fans


ECO-R240
Core 1 - 68
Core 2 - 63
Core 3 - 68
Core 4 - 62
Average - 65.25

Sorry we couldn't test it on any of our D0 chips but they are all in rigs that are travelling around right now. IIRC the D0's typically run 5 - 7 degrees cooler at equivalent voltages don't they?

Anyways - I'm quite happy with the performance and acoustics. We'll run some more tests when the other machines are back but it should be a nice cool and quiet 4.0 and probably a 4.2 for some of you depending on your chip, ambient, chassis, skillz etc.

Questions? Fire away
 
Hey Guys - good news!

We're going to open up a build to order program where you will be able to get 240mm ECO or Vantage and even 2 x 120mm or 240mm rads w/ fans mounted in between. All sealed, maintenance free and ready to install.

There will be lead times associated with each build and I'm still working out the best way to handle shipping to the UK (shipping of individual orders is possible but expensive) but the good news is there will be a lot of new configs available including some really high end stuff.

Cheers,

Barry
 
Hi Guys... woah!

I left Canada on May 24th for China then did Computex and made my way back across Europe over the next 4 weeks showing off Vantage and OMNI which we are starting to ship this week. Its really tough to stay on top of everything while you are on the road so my presence on forums slipped, i'm sorry. I got back here on Saturday, July 3rd and am still working my way out from under the pile.

Anyways, I'm back in Calgary now and happy to be able to get back on OCUK forums.

Let me address the pricing first... our core retail products, based on 120mm rads and fans are assembled in China in high volume which helps drive down the costs. All of the custom stuff (like 80mm, 92mm, 240mm etc) is assembled at our HQ in Canada in much lower volumes which drives up component costs and its also more expensive to get the goods here and get them put together. That explains the majority of the difference in pricing with the remainder just being a small premium on it being the best of breed cooler. Component for component, it is still less expensive than going DIY but the biggest advantage is simply just ease of use and no maintenance. We are all for DIY loops... they work great, we just provide an alternative to those who don't want to take on the project of making and maintaining one

Its just a function of the market right now. We see the need for different shapes and sizes of CoolIT products but those respective markets aren't big enough to justify moving the production of these products to China yet. Since we have the facilities in Calgary, we decided to do small runs of those products here so at least there are options out there for you guys. If and when 240mm production moves to China, you can expect the price to go down accordingly. Look at ECO for example.. we are really trying to offer a best of breed solution at a really competitive price.

In the meantime, I hope you find that the fact that we are listening and making the effort to be the first (and perhaps only) to even bring these solutions to market is a strong sign of our dedication to you and an example of our position as the leaders in sealed systems.

Regards,

Barry @ CoolIT

ps. My last meeting before going home was at OCUK and yes, they are even more handsome in person. Oh yeah, they are also going to bring some 240's in for you guys and CoolIT is sponsoring one to be given away in some sort of contest.
 
IceTea - The 240 Tiger's lack of success was much more a function of the market not being ready than it was price.

There are two manufacturers of sealed liquid cooling systems, CoolIT and Asetek. Sealed liquid is still really young.. we have seen exponential growth in the last two years. Now people know what it is and isn't. To be fair, the 240 tiger was ahead of its time.. not enough case compatibility, not enough acceptance of sealed liquid amongst end users.

Now that sealed liquid is emerging as the new standard of cooling pc's (as we've been predicting) it makes a lot more sense to do a 240mm version now.

As you can see w/ ECO we are trying to be really price competitive. There is a pallet of 240 stock on its way to the UK right now.. should be there early next week. MSRP for launch is 125 USD which is really pretty good. As time goes on and volumes increase you can expect to see that move towards 99 USD.

I hope that helps answer some of your questions.

Is there any point in giving CoolIT customer feedback? We design all of our products to meet various customer needs and do our best to be present on many forums to both share info and learn from the market so yes, I'd say there is. Hope you agree!

Regards,

Barry
 
Hey Flanno,

Yep, she'll go in there no problem. really looking forward to seeing your results too as lots of people are playing the waiting game. The tubes on the C240 come off the end of the rad (for you near your hdd bays) and shouldn't be near your side panel fans.

I left samples at OCUK and I know the guys tested but for some reason haven't put up their results yet (though I hear it was quite positive). I will have to give them a nudge to post up in this thread.

I'll be here.

BR
 
Hi Guys, glad to see some guys are getting their 240's in. Really looking forward to the results!

Our tests have shown that even our standard ECO in push pull intake vs H70 was almost a dead heat so yeah very interested in seeing what you guys get w/ the 240 in standard, push/pull and intake configurations.

Regarding price, we are constantly working to get the production volumes up and cost down so as time goes on its going to keep on creeping down.

Cheers,

Barry @ CoolIT
 
Hi Guys,

I couldn't really make sense of the HWC #'s either and have asked for a clarifcation but even though I do believe integrity exists and in most cases (and definately at HWC) is actually very important amongst reviewers, what I like to see are actual results from end users as well.

Perhaps I shouldn't have gone out and said what we saw in the labs.. I dont want to start a he said she said thats for sure. What I would suggest anyone who is interested and capable do - is take ECO or for that matter a H50 in push/pull intake w/ the same fans as you use on an H70 in push pull intake and make your own decisions.

ps. That is a 120mm ECO mind you.. the ECO-C240 will have even more headroom when used as intake or even push pull intake.

Regards,

Barry
 
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