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Core 2 duo vs Core 2 Duo mobile

The idea of a mini itx system is small

small generally means not very good cooling, chucking a quad in that, imo, is silly, but man, this is a VERY nice mini itx motherboard, i'm becoming very tempted to build another mini itx system now... I've meen planning a micro atx system for lanning, but hey, if i can go smaller.... :D

Have no subscribed to this thread.. could be very tinteresting to see what can be done...

I know the following link has already been posted, but take a look at this guys mod log to get an idea of how much can actually be fitted into a pc...

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1186049
 
Well if you like small systems then i suggest you visit SFFTech.

Im a member on it under the same name and its a nice small community for fans of small form factors.

Im heading to a computer show tomorrow and hoping i can find some nice mini-itx mobos that can power good systems.

Ive stumbled upon another good motherboard that is used within one of HP's Slimeline systems.

IPILP-AR

It lacks on the 4gb memory support and on the sata front but apart from that you can get the latest pci-e card in there and a nice big hard drive with a dvd drive and youre pretty much sorted.

Im hoping to buy it for my brothers next system and custom build a case for it to show that mini-itx/mini-dtx systems can be just as powerful as full atx systems. Also gives me practice before i work on mine
 
Yer one thing about itx is lack of decent looking cases, but if you make your own you can have it perfect to your needs.
 
Yeah, thats why i think a lot of people automatically turn away from mini-itx. Mini-itx is the new micro-atx, and i believe atx is far to big and mainly useless for the majority of pc users.
 
Same for my next build im going to m-atx as i only use a pci-e and pci slot. I have 5 empty slots which are no need to me.
 
Yeah im currently running on a MATX in a v300 but i still want it to be smaller, and frankly the case hasnt utilised the space that well... even though i do like the case.

Anyway just encase you want more links to mini-itx boards ive compiled a list here..... SFFTech Mini-ITX Forum Post

Anyway, has anyone found out if theres much difference between C2D desktop and C2D Mobile, performance wise
 
Heres a spec sheet of them both.
http://www.intel.com/cd/products/services/emea/eng/319641.htm

Basically, its just the fsb and cache which are different. The mobile cores also run on lower voltages.

When a e6600 and e2160 when overclocked to 3ghz show barely a difference. Even though the 2160 has 1mb of cache. So the mobile core dont hav e a huge performance hit from the cache its just thier clock speed.
 
And the bus speed, it might not be much but i still dont know how much of a real world performance hit it gives me
 
Right, i've been doing a fair bit of researching into tiny cases that'll take mini-itx boards AND a relatively decent gfx card...

I've stumbled across a CF-7989, it looks rather nice, is pretty small, but i have a feeling it may well be too small for a decent gfx card (8800gts max for me...) and i also think the psu is probably not up to the job... but none the less, could turn into my next project..

gonna go take a look at some of the boards you've mentionned.. i'm guessing there will be little or no clocking options..., all the options to clock that i've come across in the past in mini-itx systems have all been about clocking down rather than up..

EDIT: infact, it looks as though the psu would not hinder the size of the gfx card.. bonus.. really shouldn't spend any money... fainding it rather hard to resist here... :D
 
Yeah ive seen these Shuttle-esque cases before, but they dont really appeal to me as i think theyre badly layed out and also theres not much you can actually do with them. also if i was going to buy a shuttle-esque case, i might aswell just buy a shuttle. We have quite a few matd and minitx cases here at work, but sadly none of them really cater to what i would like to do. Most are about right on 2 of the dimensions but then a lot larger or far to short on another, which rules out getting a prebuilt chassis, gutting the inside and modding it.

Hopefully ill get some time this week at work to layout the components to get an idea of real world size. Ill get some pics for you and post em on here.

Im not sure about the clocking options. Im hoping there will be at least some there to help overclock a quad core. My boss has emailed Portwell to find out about one of those motherboards on that list as i can get them discounted + vat free through our company. When they reply ill ask them what the clocking options are like and post what they say on here.

Im slightly getting worried that this topic is now drifting into SFF sections rather then CPU section... but then the SFF section is always dead.
 
Yeah the LV-676 was one of the boards i linked to within that link on here. I should be building this system at the end of the year so im hoping more powerful motherboards coming out.
 
Hi, I run a conventional Micro ATX Asus board with a Merom T7400 chip (2.13)
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=54&l3=0&l4=0&model=1092&modelmenu=1
this gives comparable performance to a desktop C2D running at the same
speed, but with significant power/heat advantages.

I can get 1m superpi in 23 seconds. If you're gaming, I would recommend a
good graphics card and, you not notice any comparable difference to a
desktop chip, remember graphics card makes more difference than bus
or a modest speed difference. Lastly, my whole system only uses 60watts
idling...

Though im torn between 2 motherboards.

Kontron board

This MB takes mobile chips, you can see by the spec and socket type.

PEB-760 Board

This MB takes a desktop chip, with its LGA775 socket.

If you dont need PCIE16, then Aopen also sell ITX boards for mobile
chips, http://www.aopen.nl/Products.aspx?id=52
 
Yeah im still waiting on the pricing of the PEB boards at work.

Still leaning towards the Core2Duo Desktop seeing as youll most likely pay a premium for the board and for the mobile chip. But with a desktop cpu you will only paying extra for the mobo.
 
Nixeh said:
Yeah im still waiting on the pricing of the PEB boards at work.

Still leaning towards the Core2Duo Desktop seeing as youll most likely pay a premium for the board and for the mobile chip. But with a desktop cpu you will only paying extra for the mobo.
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Yes, you have to decide your priorities, lowest cost, performance per watt, ease of cooling in small case etc. Desktop components will always win on cost. If you are prepared to look hard (I did recently) you can find T7200 at £100 and mobile MATX MBs at £40, but that's additional time and hassle.
 
I'm most definately drawn to the ADE-6040, looks like a fantastic board.. just can't find any where to buy one :(

I still want this to be a really small pc, just like you nixeh, but im thinking if i get a decent c2d, 2gig ram and an 88gts in there, im going to be needing a pretty hefty power supply, which is pretty much going to double the size of the case.. to the region of mATX boards, and it that was the case (excuse the pun) i might as well get a mATX board.. more features, clocking options etc... don't wanna do that :\
 
Reading around, someone has got a quote for the ADE-6040 at just under $200.. thats less than £100!!! :eek: ... which, quite frankly, is an absolute steal...

why cant i find a seller of this board :mad:
 
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