Corsa VXR "Arctic"Edition

wassap · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:04

Ive driven the std CVXR and its bags of fun, more fun than my ST infact.

I dont understand why people get hung up on the price, its the going rate for Hot-hatches nowadays, sure you can get a s/h car which will be quicker/better, but VX/Ford/Honda have to price according to the market.

The Corsa is a much better car to drive than the Astra VXR, and its a better finished car than the Clio (typical french

) They can be had for around 14k from a broker aswell, which aint bad for a car of its ilk new.

Ed · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:09

wohoo said:
Ive driven the std CVXR and its bags of fun, more fun than my ST infact.

I dont understand why people get hung up on the price, its the going rate for Hot-hatches nowadays, sure you can get a s/h car which will be quicker/better, but VX/Ford/Honda have to price according to the market.

The Corsa is a much better car to drive than the Astra VXR, and its a better finished car than the Clio (typical french) They can be had for around 14k from a broker aswell, which aint bad for a car of its ilk new.

It's instantly handicapped because it's a Vauxhall. It's hard for a lot of people to see past that.

[TW]Fox · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:13

Ed said:
It's instantly handicapped because it's a Vauxhall. It's hard for a lot of people to see past that.

To be fair thats becuase the vast majority of Vauxhall products are just plain ****. This makes it hard to pick out the good ones and leads to people assuming everything they make is just as bad.

Kitchster_uk · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:14

You would have to be a plate-snob idiot to buy that new, I mean, in three years time, it'll be worth 7k max and it's still a Corsa. We aren't in the 80's when you struggled to find decent performance cars that were reliable and the Corsa is just a super-chav hot hatch that isn't as good as the 197 and is probably got similar build quality. Ok, some people *have* to have a brand new car (that's brand new for a maximum 6 months and costs £2k to drive off the forecourt...) but for £17k, as Jim Bowen would say,"let's have a look at what you could've won....

1) The Porsche Boxter 3.2s Boxster

Faster, better looking, better car, will be worth more in 3 years, rag top. 260bhp and much much better handling than a corsa. People may call you 'hairdresser' or 'poor man's 911' but they are the idiots who've wasted £17k on a chav'd granny's shopping cart.

2) Proper petrol head? The Alfa Brera

Looks a million times better, is a better marque, will be worth more in 3 years time. Why would you drive a Corsa over this?

3) Mad? Can't be as mad as the person buying a Corsa for NOBLE money!!!!

Ok, some of those may cost more to run, I'll grant you, but that 1.6t is hardly going to frugally sip away at fuel like Gordon Brown from his cup of tea.

4) How about something else brand new..and better. With 260 very sensible and clever Japanese horses, the Mazda 3 MPS. 60 in 6 seconds, 2.3 turbo in there - gotta be a better bet, surely???

snowdog · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:16

The_One said:
Now that looks good!!

Erm really?
Still looks poo to me it's still a Corsa :mad:

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oweneades · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:23

The_One said:
Its a better car than its competition which is the Clio 197 and thats about £17k too isnt it?

I know which id have and it doesnt have a diamond on the bonnet

Try more like 14k.

Also in what way is a corsa VXR a better car than the 197? In practically every review I have read where they have been pitted against one another the corsa has always come second to the 197.

Demon said:
Like the Megane R26, which is also faster then it's peers on a track, it's a cheaply finished french car

Autocar also prefer the R26 on the road as well. I would hardly call the 197 cheaply finished either. It is easily on a par to the corsa.

wassap · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:23

Kitchster_uk said:
You would have to be a plate-snob idiot to buy that new, I mean, in three years time, it'll be worth 7k max and it's still a Corsa. We aren't in the 80's when you struggled to find decent performance cars that were reliable and the Corsa is just a super-chav hot hatch that isn't as good as the 197 and is probably got similar build quality. Ok, some people *have* to have a brand new car (that's brand new for a maximum 6 months and costs £2k to drive off the forecourt...) but for £17k, as Jim Bowen would say,"let's have a look at what you could've won....

1) The Porsche Boxter 3.2s Boxster

Faster, better looking, better car, will be worth more in 3 years, rag top. 260bhp and much much better handling than a corsa. People may call you 'hairdresser' or 'poor man's 911' but they are the idiots who've wasted £17k on a chav'd granny's shopping cart.

2) Proper petrol head? The Alfa Brera

Looks a million times better, is a better marque, will be worth more in 3 years time. Why would you drive a Corsa over this?

3) Mad? Can't be as mad as the person buying a Corsa for NOBLE money!!!!

Ok, some of those may cost more to run, I'll grant you, but that 1.6t is hardly going to frugally sip away at fuel like Gordon Brown from his cup of tea.

4) How about something else brand new..and better. With 260 very sensible and clever Japanese horses, the Mazda 3 MPS. 60 in 6 seconds, 2.3 turbo in there - gotta be a better bet, surely???

Gotta pull you up on the Brera and the Mazda, both are not as good as the Cvxr to drive, brera is particularly poor, and the Mazda has too many horses strangled by the computer.

All the cars you have listed are great, but are they as usable day to day like the VXR, they certainly cost a lot more to run.

I understand the hatred for a 1.8 LS vectra, but come on guys credit where credit is due, the VXR range is very good, even the Vectra, despite what Jeremy said.

Lord-Jaffa · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:26

Janesy B said:
chavtastic

Lol and your golf isnt?

wassap · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:26

oweneades said:
Try more like 14k.

Also in what way is a corsa VXR a better car than the 197? In practically every review I have read where they have been pitted against one another the corsa has always come second to the 197.

Autocar also prefer the R26 on the road as well. I would hardly call the 197 cheaply finished either. It is easily on a par to the corsa.

The 197 is cheaply finished, the Corsa is definately a step above, I'd agree its not as good to drive as the 197, but then the 197 isnt as good as the 182.Both can be had for 14k.

R26 is a corker tho, too harsh for the road imo, but on the track is way way better than any other hot hatch, and again at 14k its a billy bargain,new.

Lord-Jaffa · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:28

I think it looks really nice, and if Fox is even impressed by the build of the interiour on a basic model this one cant be half bad!

As far as corsas go i find that it looks exceptional.

Janesy B · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:35

Lord-Jaffa said:
Lol and your golf isnt?

I can't believe you can call a MK2 Golf GTI chavtastic

It's not mine, i just like them. The MK2 golf has a bit more class and is a much more tasteful car than this tonka toy. Anyone who spends 17k on one of these obviously wont have drivin anything fast, think of it as 'my first reasonably quick car'. They'll pop out of their old nova/corsa and into one of these and it will feel like a rocket. If i was going to spend that kind of money on a new car i'd push myself up another 3 grand and get myself a new GTi or a Scirocco and have something that wont depreciate faster than a french executive saloon and thats has some slyle and class to it rather than a 10 grand car with loads of plastic stuck on to it.

Kitchster_uk · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:39

wohoo said:
Gotta pull you up on the Brera and the Mazda, both are not as good as the Cvxr to drive, brera is particularly poor, and the Mazda has too many horses strangled by the computer.

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99.99% of the time, which is going to be the better drive? I enjoy a good 'hoon' as much as anyone (own a Mk1 MR2 and an MX5) but on my 30 mile commute each way to work, I would take the Brera or the Mazda over the VXR as the VXR is designed more with ragging in mind. If you want something small and nimble for the weekend, may I point sir in the direction of an Elise, an MX-5 turbo or the Noble as above.

It's a small, small, car trying to be a Nova GSi, or a R5 GTT. Trouble is, the 17-19 year-old market - the people who will drool over this, can't afford to insure it, certainly can't afford to fuel is and won't be able to buy it. We left the 80's a while back. When you get to the age where you can afford it, surely common sense would take over and get either the 197 if you *had* to have a small hot hatch or something like a Leopn Cupra R, R26, Civic Type R (bad example possibly...), the Brera, 3 MPS et al. More practical and more car for your money. I appreciate that on that one stretch of b-road, the corsa is probably dynamite, and *slightly* better than the aforementioned larger cars. But my point is this:

You can get faster and better handling new/next-to-new cars for the same price. If you need 4/5 seats, the Corsa will hardly be 'roomy', certainly not compared to the Focus-sized stuff on offer and if you did want to buy that size, the Clio is a better option. Sure it'll sell, I just feel £17k is far far too much money for it. Here's the real kicker - I'm not even saying it's a bad car as I haven't driven it, it's just over-priced.

Hxc · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:48

The new Corsas are horrid looking things, they always look far too tall imo.

wassap · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:48

Its not overpriced as its available for the same price as the 197 (14k)

Seriously go and drive the MPS and Brera, the Brera is seriously dull, looks pretty tho.

With my own money I wouldnt buy any of the mini HH's tho, nothings as good as the Golf Gti imo, but as I said before the the Corsa is seriously good car, and is better day to day than the 197.Its prolly not that much smaller than the previous CTR tbh.

cheets64 · 16 Jul 2008 at 20:59

[TW]Fox;12103910 said:
As crap as the terrible Corsa of fail I had last week was I have to admit the finish of the interior suprised me. It was suprisingly good. The interior itself was poor, but the build was good.

Its a car its not meant to have amazing interior, sometimes I wonder what you want from a mass produced car built to do the job for 1000s of different types of people, its not meant to be a BMW.

Nor · 16 Jul 2008 at 21:07

Looks no bad, couldn't bring myself to spend £17k on a Corsa though. Isn't sensationally fast either for that money.

[TW]Fox · 16 Jul 2008 at 21:07

I don't really give a stuff what its meant to do, I didn't like it.

There are far too many borderline dangerous blind spots becuase of the way the dash stretches out far too far in front of you and the rear window has a really odd shape to it making it very difficult to see traffic at junctions.

Sam · 16 Jul 2008 at 21:18

Looks great

cyborg · 16 Jul 2008 at 21:39

[TW]Fox;12104416 said:
I don't really give a stuff what its meant to do, I didn't like it.

There are far too many borderline dangerous blind spots becuase of the way the dash stretches out far too far in front of you and the rear window has a really odd shape to it making it very difficult to see traffic at junctions.

Sounds to me as if your used to your own car, and just didn't get used to the corsa. Learner drivers seem to be doing fine with manevours in the corsa.

I also wouldn't pay over 10 grand for one, but I still like them.

Janesy B · 16 Jul 2008 at 21:45

cyborg said:
Sounds to me as if your used to your own car, and just didn't get used to the corsa. Learner drivers seem to be doing fine with manevours in the corsa.

I also wouldn't pay over 10 grand for one, but I still like them.

You are wrong, i learnt to drive in a corsa D and you could haide africa behind that A pillar. I'm glad my instructor changed car because he filled it up full of petrol (it was diesel) and he was give a corsa c instead, an equally crap car but at least you can see stuff.