cost comparison

NirK · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:20

Mmmm not so bad if you dont pay for the extortionate upgrades.

Skyboat · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:22

NirK said:
Highly subjective.

Robbo said:
Me too. Consoles are way better.

PCs are great for MMO(RPG)s, RTS, and some FPS games. Consoles are better for everything else.

Raymond Lin said:
snip

So I was close then

passey89 · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:23

Roasties or mash?

Skyboat · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:24

passey89 said:
Roasties or mash?

Do I have to pick just the one?

That's so hard

NirK · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:25

Roasting is clearly the superior way of preparing potatoes.

NirK · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:26

With PC you can play console games just the same as a console with a controller on the TV but with better graphics and framerates... So other than console exclusives I dont see how consoles can be better than PC.

Raymond Lin · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:28

NirK said:
Mmmm not so bad if you dont pay for the extortionate upgrades.

It also comes pre-built neatly, full working order.

Skyboat said:
So I was close then

A whooping 3% more expensive.

Robbo · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:31

NirK said:
With PC you can play console games just the same as a console with a controller on the TV but with better graphics and framerates... So other than console exclusives I dont see how consoles can be better than PC.

There are many extremely good console games you can't get on a PC, you can't just say "other than that".

Discussion should end there...

NirK · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:31

Wouldnt the total for that be more like £2400 though? Maybe the prices have changed.

AdmiralChewWood · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:38

I think it is a little unfair to put the price comparison of a imac to a pc due to the imac not being as upgradeable as in upgrading the cpu or eaven adding HDDs.
Also the imac use mobile graphicswhich is nowhere near as powerful as the desktop counterpart.

A good price comparison is the mac pro to a pc. I.e. Top end mac pro vs http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-159-OP&groupid=2439&catid=2527

NirK · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:38

LOL I just added an imac 27" with every upgrade possible.

Basket Subtotal £6,664.95
Free Delivery £0.00
VAT £1,333.00
Total £7,997.95

8 grand lol....

Although I suppose if you choose the upgrades wisely and upgrade some bits youself then you can get them for a decent price.

manic111 · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:40

edGfaCTor said:
The pc build here has chosen premium retail parts which Apple do not use parts to this quality of standard because it's not in there best interest to do so they are about making profit so every system they build they never make less then 40% profit on each until.

Because they have a supply line which allows them to squeeze high end parts from manufacturers for incredibly low prices. There are certain manufacturers who barely make anything from selling to Apple any more, but can't drop them as Apple constitutes the majority of their business.

I'm not an Apple fanboy - I've got a Macbook pro, an Android phone, a Windows desktop, and an iPad Mini. I think, though, that they make certain devices - depending on your use-case - which are very good value for money.

The Macbook Pro I bought because, at the time, there was not a Windows machine out there which could match the screen, trackpad, keyboard, or battery life, which for me are four of the most important things on a laptop. The 27 inch iMac is similar. Unless you are a gamer, the quality of key components which actually matter to a consumer - such as the screen - is incredibly high end. You also have the benefit of it being built in a single unit, rather than requiring a box on the floor. I can see the appeal of the 27 inch iMac, and were I to need to buy a desktop now would seriously consider it.

On the other hand, in my opinion the iPhone is vastly overpriced with an outdated OS and screen size. Similarly, the 21.5 inch iMac is not something I can see the appeal of, and I can imagine Apple bumping it to 23 inches sooner rather than later. There's a good argument that the iPad Mini is overpriced compared to the Nexus 7, which is a lovely tablet. Personally, I bought it as the majority of my tablet use is web browsing and document reading, and the aspect ratio of the iPad is infinitely better than that of the Nexus.

In short, they make some products which do offer value. They're expensive, but you get what you pay for. Other products are becoming outdated and overpriced, and need looking at.

NirK · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:42

Top companies: Most profitable

Profits
Return on Revenues
Return on Shareholders' Equity

1 Exxon Mobil 1 41,060.0
2 Chevron 3 26,895.0
3 Apple 17 25,922.0
4 Microsoft 37 23,150.0
5 Ford Motor 9 20,213.0
6 J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. 16 18,976.0
7 American International Group 33 17,798.0
8 Wells Fargo 26 15,869.0
9 International Business Machines 19 15,855.0
10 Wal-Mart Stores 2 15,699.0

uniQ · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:45

Please stop feeding the troll(s).

NirK · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:49

Why are you upset uniQ...

manic111 · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:50

NirK said:
Top companies: Most profitable

Profits
Return on Revenues
Return on Shareholders' Equity

1 Exxon Mobil 1 41,060.0
2 Chevron 3 26,895.0
3 Apple 17 25,922.0
4 Microsoft 37 23,150.0
5 Ford Motor 9 20,213.0
6 J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. 16 18,976.0
7 American International Group 33 17,798.0
8 Wells Fargo 26 15,869.0
9 International Business Machines 19 15,855.0
10 Wal-Mart Stores 2 15,699.0

Source? Is that in dollars? Thousands? Millions? Billions? Sales worldwide or in the USA only? Is it only USA based companies? Ideally, that would show profit, expenditure, and revenue, or the average profit margin. Generally if companies spend more, they make more profit - if the profit margin of company A and company B are both 30%, but company A spends £100 and company B spends £1000, company B will be making 10x as much profit (£30 vs £300). Their profit margins are the same, so they aren't "overpricing" anything, they're merely risking more.

Does it say why they're the most profitable? As already mentioned, a key part of Apple's profitability is its supply chain, which means its costs are far lower than the likes of Dell or HP. Another key part, which again HP and Dell lack, is the content store. Having worked for a publishing company for the last three years, I know how much Apple squeezes content suppliers. They take roughly 30% of revenue from sales of apps, books, music, and movies. That is pretty much a licence to print money.

Apple would be incredibly profitable (obviously not to the same degree, but still) even if it sold its hardware at cost.

NirK · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:52

Well yes they have lower costs AND charge more so they are uber profitable lol.

manic111 · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:54

NirK said:
Well yes they have lower costs AND charge more so they are uber profitable lol.

Which still doesn't mean that they're overpriced

Value is in the eyes of the purchaser. For me, the aspect ratio of the iPad Mini was worth the extra £100 over the Nexus 7. For others, it may not have been. This seems to be the point you're missing.

Raymond Lin · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:54

NirK said:
Well yes they have lower costs AND charge more so they are uber profitable lol.

Economics 101 for a business?
Capitalism at it's best?
The whole point of having a business?

It's call added value, same as cereal, yogurt and bottled water. Those are even more extreme.

NirK · 5 Apr 2013 at 17:56

manic111 said:
Which still doesn't mean that they're overpriced

Value is in the eyes of the purchaser. For me, the aspect ratio of the iPad Mini was worth the extra £100 over the Nexus 7. For others, it may not have been. This seems to be the point you're missing.

Ahhh that old chestnut again. Im not going there again.

Crucial 32 Gb laptop ram £130
Apple 32Gb laptop ram £480

That is all.