Cost of Living - Shrinkflation is speeding up at an alarming rate

to reduce NHS expenditure

There is another aspect, and the NHS is in some ways its own worst enemy in this respect, that modern healthcare keeps a lot of people alive and/or active who will continue to put a burden on it, who in times gone past would have either died young or been largely bed bound, etc. who though active thanks to modern conveniences and healthcare simply don't have the level of health there to be more active physically.

Maybe things are different where others live but I really don't see a lot of people whose use of the car, etc. for shorter journeys could reasonably be replaced by other forms of transport who aren't already doing so, so many changes in the last 1-2 decades have made it much more prohibitive than even when I was a child for example the much busier traffic levels, especially commercial traffic with larger goods vehicles, making cycling a somewhat risky venture, etc.
 
If the government wanted to really improve NHS costs then I think gyms should be subsidised, sport and phys should be pushed harder in schools, tax should be removed from gym supplements / protein shakes etc.

The likes of Just Eat doing deliveries from shops and garages is just utterly bonkers. It would take me about 7 minutes to walk to my nearest shop for basics. But I could pay to have someone deliver that.

Convenience alone must have made millions fatter than they would have been 20yr ago.

You don't need to 'gym', taking a walk or a cycle is at least as effective for a sound heart and lungs. Similarly with shakes, a balanced diet inluding some fats and carbohydrates is good for your health. Removing tax would increase uptake but I think that there are better ways to eat and be healthy.

Just Eat IS a disaster.
 
Well I think it's more a case of there being a new baseline. I think since covid and Ukraine kicked off costs for companies increased, but then as their costs have settled down a bit, prices haven't settled in line.

I guess ultimately everyone is at the mercy of energy companies and banks who are likely making more money than ever.
Based on what evidence?

‘Cost pressures setting down’ doesn’t mean costs reduce, all it means is they are no longer suffering out of control inflation, they may still be going up.

Supermarkets is a highly competitive field with relatively low profits. There is no space in the market for anyone to make significant profit margins unless they have a bit of a USP like a local farm shop.

Tesco, Asda, Morrisons, Aldi and Lidl have been locked into a bitter price war for a decade at this point.
 
There is another aspect, and the NHS is in some ways its own worst enemy in this respect, that modern healthcare keeps a lot of people alive and/or active who will continue to put a burden on it, who in times gone past would have either died young or been largely bed bound, etc. who though active thanks to modern conveniences and healthcare simply don't have the level of health there to be more active physically.

Maybe things are different where others live but I really don't see a lot of people whose use of the car, etc. for shorter journeys could reasonably be replaced by other forms of transport who aren't already doing so, so many changes in the last 1-2 decades have made it much more prohibitive than even when I was a child for example the much busier traffic levels, especially commercial traffic with larger goods vehicles, making cycling a somewhat risky venture, etc.
The NHS wasn’t expecting many people to be living in their 90s.

When I was a kid, you didn’t hear about people in their 60s+ having parents alive. So families with two generations of pensioners.
 
Based on what evidence?

‘Cost pressures setting down’ doesn’t mean costs reduce, all it means is they are no longer suffering out of control inflation, they may still be going up.

Supermarkets is a highly competitive field with relatively low profits. There is no space in the market for anyone to make significant profit margins unless they have a bit of a USP like a local farm shop.

Tesco, Asda, Morrisons, Aldi and Lidl have been locked into a bitter price war for a decade at this point.
Based on my imaginings lol.

I think I was likely wrong in that case. The high prices on the items would come from the producers of the products so I guess it's not in the supermarkets hands.

I do think producers of branded goods are pushing their margins a bit mind.
 
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If the government wanted to really improve NHS costs then I think gyms should be subsidised, sport and phys should be pushed harder in schools, tax should be removed from gym supplements / protein shakes etc.

The likes of Just Eat doing deliveries from shops and garages is just utterly bonkers. It would take me about 7 minutes to walk to my nearest shop for basics. But I could pay to have someone deliver that.

Convenience alone must have made millions fatter than they would have been 20yr ago.
The Just Eat etc doing supermarket deliveries is stupid imo. Understood the concept back in the day when people had to self isolate.

It’s so expensive. My friend works at a supermarket with a food courier. This guy wanted to buy a four pack of Red Bull. With the higher price of the item, plus £2.50 service charge as under £20.

if he went to the shop and got Red Bull - he would be able to buy a pack of 8 and had 50p change!

On the other side of the main road to work, there’s a road to a council estate with 160 odd properties. Lose count how many courier bikes you see coming in/out of the road
 
The Just Eat etc doing supermarket deliveries is stupid imo. Understood the concept back in the day when people had to self isolate.

It’s so expensive. My friend works at a supermarket with a food courier. This guy wanted to buy a four pack of Red Bull. With the higher price of the item, plus £2.50 service charge as under £20.

if he went to the shop and got Red Bull - he would be able to buy a pack of 8 and had 50p change!

On the other side of the main road to work, there’s a road to a council estate with 160 odd properties. Lose count how many courier bikes you see coming in/out of the road

Your council estate comments are a bit annoying.
 
Looking at 'Median annual earnings for full-time employees in the United Kingdom from 1999 to 2022' they certainly have not. £18,848 > £33,000 in 2022.

I would like to think most people earn 3x what they're on in 2003 compared to 2023, but thats taking into account they are now 20 years older and would hopefully have progressed somewhat - like myself, tomato factory / warehouse work to current position. ~6x increase
Well yeah, but I dont think career progression is an adequate way of saying wages has tripled. Just because "Im alright jack because I got promoted".
 
Your council estate comments are a bit annoying.
It shows that some people are being paid too much benefits.

My friend in the other post knows where the bloke ordering the Red Bull lives. As 1. He has an odd spelling of his name 2. His name was on the news for something which mentioned his street - the council estate 5 walk mins from friend’s work.
 
It shows that some people are being paid too much benefits.

My friend in the other post knows where the bloke ordering the Red Bull lives. As 1. He has an odd spelling of his name 2. His name was on the news for something which mentioned his street - the council estate 5 walk mins from friend’s work.
I am surprised anyone even took you for granted, most of your comments I have a hard time believing as you seem to be constantly bashing people who buy from your work place, and just because a deliveroo rider enters a council estate it doesnt mean they delivering to a unemployed person living there, could be a business, could be someone working from home, someone looking after kids, could be exiting the estate the other side and just riding through it, could be on their way home, you just dont know, not to mention estates dont have any different levels of employment to non estate areas either. Post is full of assumed prejudice.

There is delivery food workers who post on social media, on these you do actually get to see the destinations, on the day deliveries by far the most popular destinations are work premises or posh apartments. hotels, those sort of places.

Then we have the old story "my mate knows him, I know him etc." If we believed all these stories we would probably have 30 million unemployed people in this country spending money at 3x their benefit income. :rolleyes:

You seen how much deliveroo etc. costs? It can cost nearly £20 to order a few sandwiches. What makes you think people on the dole are routinely doing that, its just not possible.
 
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It shows that some people are being paid too much benefits.

My friend in the other post knows where the bloke ordering the Red Bull lives. As 1. He has an odd spelling of his name 2. His name was on the news for something which mentioned his street - the council estate 5 walk mins from friend’s work.
It doesn't show anything of the sort, at most it just means some folks aren't very smart with their money and that's true regardless of how much if it they have.

Also what are the chances that a not insignificant portion of those on benefits might not be very mobile?
 
It doesn't show anything of the sort, at most it just means some folks aren't very smart with their money and that's true regardless of how much if it they have.

Also what are the chances that a not insignificant portion of those on benefits might not be very mobile?
Yeah I think you nailed it, they just exploiting the convenience factor, for the disabled and for those who need something quick without going out to get it.
 
People on benefits are not ordering from Deliveroo. 'Council estates' are not full of people on welfare, a significant amount of those properties will have been sold off since the 80's and be privately owned by people with jobs and go to work. Traditionally you wouldn't have have ever needed to claim welfare to secure a council house.

These services are typically used by young people with significant amounts of disposable income which they waste on all sorts of nonsense. When I was 16, I used to work 24 hours a week alongside full time education. I had no living costs and spent a fortune on airsoft guns, tech and going out on the lash.
 
It's funny really because I used to live on two "council estates" growing up. I say "council estate" because most houses were privately owned by the time I lived there and most of the people had decent incomes and their houses were well maintained (nice planted front gardens etc) by said owners. Other than all of the houses being identical you probably wouldn't know it was ex council.
 
I am surprised anyone even took you for granted, most of your comments I have a hard time believing as you seem to be constantly bashing people who buy from your work place, and just because a deliveroo rider enters a council estate it doesnt mean they delivering to a unemployed person living there, could be a business, could be someone working from home, someone looking after kids, could be exiting the estate the other side and just riding through it, could be on their way home, you just dont know, not to mention estates dont have any different levels of employment to non estate areas either. Post is full of assumed prejudice.

There is delivery food workers who post on social media, on these you do actually get to see the destinations, on the day deliveries by far the most popular destinations are work premises or posh apartments. hotels, those sort of places.

Then we have the old story "my mate knows him, I know him etc." If we believed all these stories we would probably have 30 million unemployed people in this country spending money at 3x their benefit income. :rolleyes:

You seen how much deliveroo etc. costs? It can cost nearly £20 to order a few sandwiches. What makes you think people on the dole are routinely doing that, it’s just not possible.
friend said on the bottom of just eat receipts it says how many orders they have done on JE and how many orders they have ordered from the shop. One customer has ordered 1400 times on JE. If he started around the first lockdown - that’s 8 per week.
 
If the government wanted to really improve NHS costs then I think gyms should be subsidised

The disconnect of daily activity and exercise is a big part of the problem. Modern life where you spend an hour each way driving in traffic to go to work, get home to a highly processed microwave meal and then drive to a gym in the evening for an hour is seriously depressing.
 
The disconnect of daily activity and exercise is a big part of the problem. Modern life where you spend an hour each way driving in traffic to go to work, get home to a highly processed microwave meal and then drive to a gym in the evening for an hour is seriously depressing.

Oh yeah I don't disagree. I just figure any incentive is better than nothing. People often form friendships and maintain routines through training in communal places.

Fortunately my employer encourages daily exercise and accommodates it through a flexible work approach.
 
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