Counterfeit money

If it was my shop, I would just refuse to accept any fakes and give them back to the customer. It's not worth the grief or PR damage to your shop to confiscate them. Any fake will just then get recirculated until an unskilled retailer takes it in and tries to bank it. That's then the other retailers loss due to poor staff training in spotting fakes. Tough but better than upsetting your customers.

Rgds
 
Threepwood said:
You have already taken the hit, you are £20 down; with no guarantee that you will be able to pass the note off.
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I haven't, as I keep saying. Asserting that I have doesn't mean I can't then go and spend it in a super market. My local ASDA for example, doesn't check notes at all.

So no, I haven't taken the hit.
 
You have experience in handing over forge notes to your local ASDA and they never, ever check them? Or, do you have experience in handing over real notes and them never getting checked?

Maybe you should try and get hold of some fake notes and go down your ASDA.




Okay, listen.

Until you know the outcome of passing the note off, you are £20 down. How can you not see that?


Where you should have a real £20 note, you have a fake £20 note.

The moment you accept that fake note as yours, you are -£20.


Yes it it totally obvious you might get away with passing off the note and you will no longer be £20 down, but this is an event that has not happened yet.

You talk about black and white, yet you seem convinced 100% that you will be able to pass it off.
 
Out of the hundreds of times I've been to my local Asda, they've never checked notes.

Why are you presuming that this isn't something that happened? Are you omnipotent?

I received a fake 20 once, I was made aware of it because I was buying some food from a takeaway, they checked the note and wouldn't take it.

So spent it in Asda the next day, because I know they never check notes. In fact, places that do are in the minority in my experience.

So in future, don't presume you know something and try and tell me the outcome of a situation.
 
spoffle said:
So in future, don't presume you know something and try and tell me the outcome of a situation.
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What?

You are the one presuming the outcome of a situation.

You state that 100% you will be able to pass of fake notes at ASDA based on giving them 1 fake note, once. :confused:

I am saying that this is not a guarantee; it might happen, it might not.

So are you really suggesting that you could give ASDA any amount of fake notes...and they will never realise? You would never get caught, right?
 
I think Spoffle regularly goes on the deep web and pays some scummer £100 for £1000 of fake banknotes. :p
 
Threepwood said:
What?

You are the one presuming the outcome of a situation.

You state that 100% you will be able to pass of fake notes at ASDA based on giving them 1 fake note, once. :confused:

I am saying that this is not a guarantee; it might happen, it might not.

So are you really suggesting that you could give ASDA any amount of fake notes...and they will never realise? You would never get caught, right?
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You presumed that it never happened, and that I shouldn't suggest that I could do that based on no experience of it ever happening. At least try and stick to the one thing, instead of this inconsistent mess.

Also, do try and avoid making a strawman argument. I never said any amount of fake notes. I simply said if I realised I had a fake note, I'd spend it at Asda, because in my experience of the hundreds of times I've been, they simply don't check notes.

Acme said:
I think Spoffle regularly goes on the deep web and pays some scummer £100 for £1000 of fake banknotes. :p
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Shh! I told you not to tell anyone! :mad:
 
Call the police. If someone looks likely to become physically abusive, let them take their money and leave, THEN report it to the police.

I would have thought this was all common sense stuff...?
 
We had a spate of counterfeit money being used around a year ago and I've seen plenty of different reactions.

I had one bloke who took the spoffle approach. He snatched the note back of the cashier and then went to another shop to spend it. He was arrested ultimately charged for assault and for tending a note he knew to be counterfeit.

I had one cashier rip up the note into 4 and said to the customer that they could have the note back if they wished as the customer was fairly upset. We explained the situation to the customer, seized the note and they eventually left without any further action.

Another unit attended someone trying to pass 3 x £20 notes all off at once and was tracked on CCTV before being arrested for passing the notes. He had a few more on him but I don't think I ever found out what the result was.

I do like the idea of writing fake on both sides of the note with the counterfeit pen though. If you need to pass it back it does prevent other people being stung by it.

Obviously shops need to be careful not to put themselves at undue risk but I think they need to do something to protect other people from ending up with it.
 
Threepwood said:
I presumed what never happened? You make no sense man!
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Stop playing dumb.

Yes it it totally obvious you might get away with passing off the note and you will no longer be £20 down, but this is an event that has not happened yet.
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You said it's not something that has happened yet. I told you it had and you change your mind about what you're arguing.

Burnsy2023 said:
The guy basically threatened the cashier and then basically pulled them closer to him so he could then grab the note. The cashier resisted briefly before letting it go.
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Well that's very different and not the approach I'd take at all.
 
spoffle said:
Well that's very different and not the approach I'd take at all.
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well you can't make the definitive statement that you'd get the note back really - you can merely ask for it back and be at the whim of the retailer

I do like the writing 'FAKE' on both sides of the note idea
 
soundood said:
I have worked in retail recently, and a few companies make it company policy to check every note with a pen, ultra violet light has already been faked.

I actually have a fake here, taken recently at a till point, £20 and very very well done.

in fact here are some photos of it, with watermark, foil strip and fake serial number (known to police) it also has the ultraviolet markings, and before anyone tells me its an offence to have it, it is used for training till point staff.
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looks impressive - does it have the raised intaglio printing? And the red fluorescent markings?
I had a ten pound note not accepted in london a year or two ago and they thought it was fake because it was new and felt a bit 'plasticy' (its was definitely real) - they didn't seem to realise that new notes have been feeling like that for years.
 
spoffle said:
You said it's not something that has happened yet. I told you it had and you change your mind about what you're arguing.
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I'm not talking about your single episode of using a fake note at ASDA.

I'm with the context [of the theoretical situation] where you have a fake note and have taken the hit of -£20.

The thing that 'has not happened yet' is the outcome of attempting to even the books by passing the note off!

Until that happens you are -£20.
 
I assume that fake notes will be rejected by self serve checkouts?They must have some way of detecting counterfeit money?
 
my mum said some gypsey gave her a fake £50 in her shop so she chased them down the road and made them give her real money, the guy proceded to pull out a huge wad of £5/£10 notes and paid her lol
 
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