COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

[Rroff]

The wet market bat theory was eventually exposed and now we know it likely escaped from the Wuhan lab that were doing experiments on accelerating viruses. Surprisingly the anti vaxxers have no problem with that and are willing to be infected by it. Literal crazy thinking.

Funny thing is for quite a long time you were classed as a lunatic to accept anything other than the wet market explanation :s even though from the very first article trying to ring fence it as "having" to be of natural origin it should have been plain to anyone with even the slightest scientific background there was far too many holes and things just got more shonky from there.

 

[NiCkNaMe]

I seem to have bumped into the deluded world of the anti vaxxers on X.

What surprises me is they have many conspiracy theories about the vaccine. But nothing at all to say about covid itself.

The wet market bat theory was eventually exposed and now we know it likely escaped from the Wuhan lab that were doing experiments on accelerating viruses. Surprisingly the anti vaxxers have no problem with that and are willing to be infected by it. Literal crazy thinking.

Is someone who does not want to take a covid vaccine (any of the products on offer) an anti vaxxer?

 

[GGizmo]

Is someone who does not want to take a covid vaccine (any of the products on offer) an anti vaxxer?

I think now we know people aren't killing granny if they don't have the vaccine then I think it's their own choice.

I do find it hypocritical of the people who complained about being forced to take the vaccine are some of the same people trying to force people not to wear masks.

It should be a choice either way in my view. I think a lot of the animosity within the people was caused by how the government chose to present covid and the vaccines.

 

[NiCkNaMe]

Of course it should be a personal decision between a person and their medical advisor. I don't want any part in a society that tries their best to force people to take products that are largely based on novel technology and issued by publicly traded companies.

You didn't answer the question though.. Is someone who does not want a covid product an anti vaxxer?

 

[tonys]

Of course it should be a personal decision between a person and their medical advisor. I don't want any part in a society that tries their best to force people to take products that are largely based on novel technology and issued by publicly traded companies.

You didn't answer the question though.. Is someone who does not want a covid product an anti vaxxer?

No, you have just exercised your choice, if you go around pressuring people then you are.

 

[JonRGV250]

It should be a choice either way in my view. I think a lot of the animosity within the people was caused by how the government chose to present covid and the vaccines.

Yes, very much this.
Also the hysterical media didn't help.

 

[Mr Badger]

Saw a man wearing a mask so tight that it was between his mouth and nose - covering neither of them. What's he achieving from this?

Sounds as though you have jumped to an assumption. He could have a perfectly valid medical reason, such as recent moustache surgery.

 

[Rroff]

I was on a course yesterday with someone who I'm 99% sure had COVID though they were saying "just a cold", fortunately their group was sitting about 25 feet away and I tried to avoid any contact :s will be kind of annoyed if I did pick it up from them even just a cold.

 

[tonys]

I was on a course yesterday with someone who I'm 99% sure had COVID though they were saying "just a cold", fortunately their group was sitting about 25 feet away and I tried to avoid any contact :s will be kind of annoyed if I did pick it up from them even just a cold.

The fact is, that before covid you wouldn't have taken as much notice of it.

 

[Rroff]

The fact is, that before covid you wouldn't have taken as much notice of it.

I've picked up a moderate ability to distinguish COVID from a cold usually more often right that wrong, especially when people talk about the symptoms. COVID tends to embed itself deeper in the respiratory system for one though not a hard and fast rule.

COVID had quite an impact on me before, still not 100% back to how I used to be since it, never had that with a cold, so I'm not wanting another dose, never mind if I pass it on to family who are potentially vulnerable.

EDIT: Will be annoyed even if just a cold though as I'm covering someone who is on holiday from tomorrow, not a good time to be off my game.

 

[cheesefest]

I've picked up a moderate ability to distinguish COVID from a cold usually more often right that wrong, especially when people talk about the symptoms. COVID tends to embed itself deeper in the respiratory system for one though not a hard and fast rule.

COVID had quite an impact on me before, still not 100% back to how I used to be since it, never had that with a cold, so I'm not wanting another dose, never mind if I pass it on to family who are potentially vulnerable.

EDIT: Will be annoyed even if just a cold though as I'm covering someone who is on holiday from tomorrow, not a good time to be off my game.

People are too tight to pay for LFTs

 

[tonys]

People are too tight to pay for LFTs

You don't have to test now, even in the hospital the wife works at, if you are not on a ward area, no need to test and you can go in to work if you don't have bad symptoms.

 

[Richdog]

The fact is, that before covid you wouldn't have taken as much notice of it.

When you say "the fact is"... doesn't that just mean "in my uninformed opinion"?

 

[Rroff]

People are too tight to pay for LFTs

People for the most part have little incentive to test any more beyond curiosity and increasingly symptoms are mild partly due to immune systems being exposed to COVID and partly it seems due to changes to the virus, but I think that is a bit deceptive as to its full impact on people's health. Hopefully there isn't a variant which emerges which is significantly more severe than what we've seen so far as with people's attitudes now we'll probably be in a world of hurt :s

 

[tonys]

When you say "the fact is"... doesn't that just mean "in my uninformed opinion"?

Before covid would you have taken any notice of anyone who had a cold?

 

[Richdog]

Before covid would you have taken any notice of anyone who had a cold?

This is exactly what I mean by "uninformed" or more accurately "purposeful ignorance and distortion of the facts". You are drawing comparisons to only the mild infections of COVID19 and disregarding the fact that 230000 people died within 3 years, leaving many hundreds of thousands of grieving relatives. Also, many infections were far more severe than a cold or even flu and now around 2 million people suffer from long COVID (all UK stats).

I have had COVID once late last year and although I recovered with no lasting effects, it was 3 days of inability to work due to persistent headaches, brain fog and lack of energy. I have never had a cold affect me like that.

 

[tonys]

This is exactly what I mean by "uninformed" or more accurately "purposeful ignorance and distortion of the facts". You are drawing comparisons to only the mild infections of COVID19 and disregarding the fact that 230000 people died within 3 years, leaving many hundreds of thousands of grieving relatives. Also, many infections were far more severe than a cold or even flu and now around 2 million people suffer from long COVID (all UK stats).

I have had COVID once late last year and although I recovered with no lasting effects, it was 3 days of inability to work due to persistent headaches, brain fog and lack of energy. I have never had a cold affect me like that.

I am not diminishing the effects of covid, I am just saying that before covid was a problem you would have not taken any notice of people who had colds. You, probably like the vast majority of people(me included) who would have gone into work if they had a cold or even stomach upsets.

 

[tom_e]

This is exactly what I mean by "uninformed" or more accurately "purposeful ignorance and distortion of the facts". You are drawing comparisons to only the mild infections of COVID19 and disregarding the fact that 230000 people died within 3 years, leaving many hundreds of thousands of grieving relatives. Also, many infections were far more severe than a cold or even flu and now around 2 million people suffer from long COVID (all UK stats).

I have had COVID once late last year and although I recovered with no lasting effects, it was 3 days of inability to work due to persistent headaches, brain fog and lack of energy. I have never had a cold affect me like that.

I think you've completely misread what is being said, there's no comparison to COVID and the common cold in Tonys' post.

 

[Richdog]

I am not diminishing the effects of covid, I am just saying that before covid was a problem you would have not taken any notice of people who had colds. You, probably like the vast majority of people(me included) who would have gone into work if they had a cold or even stomach upsets.

Apologies if I misinterpreted the context of your previous post. Anyway, the onus is not on the me to not go to work if someone else has a cold, the onus is on the person with the cold to not go to work and spread it to their colleagues. In my workplace people get very annoyed when someone comes to the office with a visible cold... it's been bad form for as long as I can remember (way before COVID).

 

[tonys]

Apologies if I misinterpreted the context of your previous post. Anyway, the onus is not on the me to not go to work if someone else has a cold, the onus is on the person with the cold to not go to work and spread it to their colleagues. In my workplace people get very annoyed when someone comes to the office with a visible cold... it's been bad form for as long as I can remember (way before COVID).

This is very true but it was just considered normal all those years ago. People didn’t get sick pay so they had to work regardless of what was wrong with them.my father was old school, you got a job no matter what it was and worked at it. He got flu one year and as far as I remember he had about 2 or 3 days off work before he went back. He would also walk miles to a job if he didn't have a lift or bus fare.