COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

[Mr Jack]

He is only a Dr by name, my brother in law has doctor in front of his name but for history.

This is a bad criticism of Dr John Campbell. He is not only a Dr by name: he has a PhD, therefore he is Dr John Campbell just as much as any medical doctor is Dr X. What he is not is a physician or medical doctor but then - for the kind of stuff he does - his PhD is a better qualification than being a medical doctor anyway (because PhDs are research trained and medical doctors aren't).

Although, as far as I know, he has no relevant expertise in vaccines, immunology, virology, epidemiology, etc.

 

[Tephnos]

they are new - previously only used for serious disease i thought? how can they be proven safe? i work in a team of 5 1 person collapsed after vaccination and the hospital confirmed it was myocarditis caused by the vaccination - and he has had ongoing issues.. where are these excess deaths coming from in all vaccinated countries?

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reading the study now btw... did not realize it was a link

The way vaccines and drugs work are completely different. Vaccines stimulate an immune response, generate antibodies, and then that's the end of it. Drugs can alter minute and unintentional cellular pathways, which can lead to a cascade of long term effects.

If there was such a problem with the vaccines, you'd notice it very quickly, because the immune response wouldn't wait years. That's why the myocarditis, brain clots, etc. all happened rapidly, within a matter of weeks. If you are passed that window, you are completely fine. The immune system isn't attacking anything, and the antibodies made clearly aren't causing a problem - you'd know long by now.

In short, with vaccines, any longer term issues are the result of acute short term issues noticed very quickly.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Although, as far as I know, he has no relevant expertise in vaccines, immunology, virology, epidemiology, etc.

That's what I was getting at, you might as well listen to Katie Hopkins.

Last night I was watching Surgeons At The Edge Of Life and during one trauma incident they had 24 different specialists in that room, none of them would cross over into each others territories but quacks like Dr John Campbell would.

 

[loftie]

IIRC the 15 minute wait after a vaccine had been a thing for years for some vaccines, especially if you hadn't had one of that type before.

I vaguely remember being told to wait for "a few minutes" after having a flu jab at the chemists something like 10 years ago,

First time I think both my parents and myself had a flu jab at the chemist we were told to wait too. After the first time they didn't seem to mind.

 

[Rroff]

The way vaccines and drugs work are completely different. Vaccines stimulate an immune response, generate antibodies, and then that's the end of it. Drugs can alter minute and unintentional cellular pathways, which can lead to a cascade of long term effects.

If there was such a problem with the vaccines, you'd notice it very quickly, because the immune response wouldn't wait years. That's why the myocarditis, brain clots, etc. all happened rapidly, within a matter of weeks. If you are passed that window, you are completely fine. The immune system isn't attacking anything, and the antibodies made clearly are causing a problem - you'd know long by now.

In short, with vaccines, any longer term issues are the result of acute short term issues noticed very quickly.

Vaccines have, usually non-active (excipients), chemicals for preservatives/stabilisers, to aid with delivery and to offset side effects, these can cause effects especially when it comes to allergic reactions, which sometimes are triggered by first exposure but don't always manifest immediately i.e. they had to stop using components created from eggs in some vaccines.

mRNA approaches still have potential problems with toxicity, though they made a breakthrough with that which allowed creating the COVID vaccines, some people will still struggle to break down part of it if given an mRNA vaccine or therapy in high enough dose/frequency which for a small number of people may even be reached if they had more than single number of doses.

There are clearly problems with the AZ vaccine regardless of any studies they might come out with - they yanked it for my age group just before I was due to have it and there are far too many people, even if a small number of the total, who've had serious or fatal problems involving unusual blood clotting in the weeks after having it - I know more people who've died with that as a factor at the height of the pandemic than I do of COVID itself.

 

[maschio]

There are clearly problems with the AZ vaccine regardless of any studies they might come out with - they yanked it for my age group just before I was due to have it..

You may well have dodged a bullet there in that case. Not so much for these unfortunate souls.

Heartbreaking stories of AstraZeneca Covid jab 'victims' are revealed

At least 81 Britons died from blood clot complications that appeared to be linked to the Covid jab, according to figures collated by UK drug watchdog the MHRA.

www.dailymail.co.uk

AstraZeneca faces up to £255million bill for 'defective' Covid vaccine

Kate Scott whose husband Jamie was allegedly injured by AstraZeneca's Covid jab welcomed the news and defiantly declared they would not give up as 'we have truth on our side'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Rroff]

You may well have dodged a bullet there in that case. Not so much for these unfortunate souls.

Heartbreaking stories of AstraZeneca Covid jab 'victims' are revealed

At least 81 Britons died from blood clot complications that appeared to be linked to the Covid jab, according to figures collated by UK drug watchdog the MHRA.

www.dailymail.co.uk

AstraZeneca faces up to £255million bill for 'defective' Covid vaccine

Kate Scott whose husband Jamie was allegedly injured by AstraZeneca's Covid jab welcomed the news and defiantly declared they would not give up as 'we have truth on our side'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Almost certainly killed my gran, long story short coroner seems to think so, specialist pathology team from Bristol said natural causes but given the coroners concern was due to seeing a sudden burst of such cases with the same kind of unusual blood clotting...

 

[UTT]

Almost certainly killed my gran, long story short coroner seems to think so, specialist pathology team from Bristol said natural causes but given the coroners concern was due to seeing a sudden burst of such cases with the same kind of unusual blood clotting...

But that's just an anecdote, witnessed with your own eyes and real life experience so must be wrong

There are tons of medical studies and statistics that Trump the above and must be correct, the 'vaccine' is not only good for you but also causes no harms whatsoever, no siree

Am I doing this right?

 

[Rroff]

But that's just an anecdote, witnessed with your own eyes and real life experience so must be wrong

There are tons of medical studies and statistics that Trump the above and must be correct, the 'vaccine' is not only good for you but also causes no harms whatsoever, no siree

Am I doing this right?

It is just an anecdote, but given the full circumstances (I've not elaborated on everything) I find it unlikely to be coincidence.

 

[UTT]

It is just an anecdote, but given the full circumstances (I've not elaborated on everything) I find it unlikely to be coincidence.

I'm with you

 

[BowdonUK]

The vaccine as harmed people. That's why there is a government compensation program that as paid people money. This puritanical view of the vaccine is the other cheek to the anti vaxxers.

It as also caused long covid symptoms in people that have never had covid.

That's what I was getting at, you might as well listen to Katie Hopkins.

Last night I was watching Surgeons At The Edge Of Life and during one trauma incident they had 24 different specialists in that room, none of them would cross over into each others territories but quacks like Dr John Campbell would.

Campbell isn't alone in having little knowledge of how to deal with covid. The fact is 99% of practicing doctor don't.

Because we know long covid effects multiple systems specialists not crossing over is hampering treatment. Because they never treat the source, only their area.

The covid clinic consultant I had was in respiratory medicine. She ran tests. They appeared to be ok (I'm already under a team of lung function specialists since pre covid) then said she can't do anything for me. She's supposedly discharged me to cardiology (though I don't think she as).

The attitude of so called specialists at these covid clinics have been the worst in my life. They don't seem interested in trying to figure out a solution beyond running standard tests.

The only people leading the fight for a treatment to long covid and covid are the medical researchers. Doctors could be doing a lot more as some treatments are using off label medications that are already out there for other reasons.

The amount of gaslighting going on is on an industrial scale, especially in Scandinavian countries that were playing down the seriousness of covid.

 

[maschio]

Dr John Campbell? - seriously?
You might as well listen to Katie Hopkins and Right Said Fred.

He is only a Dr by name, my brother in law has doctor in front of his name but for history.
Campbell worked as a nursing educator at the University of Cumbria, and has experience as an emergency department nurse

You have been told numerous times that Doctor John Campbell is actually a Dr. He is more of a Dr than a GP, who you would gladly take medical advice from. Dr John Campbell has a PhD and decades of experience in delivering medical education at universities, but yet, here you are again comparing him to nonentities and repeating the same old nonsense.

You also mention Katie Hopkins a lot. Are you a subscriber or maybe a Katie simp?

If you are brave enough, you might do well to watch some of Dr John Campbell's videos (real Dr by the way) and you will find he does not give his opinion on subjects. He only discusses and analyses published data from many sources, including the UK government, MHRA, ONS and foreign goverments and peer reviewed papers and so on.

What you will find is that often times, the published official data does not stack up. That doesn't make him a crank or a grifter. The truth is often somewhere in between.

He even has the audacity to invite many eminent professors, epidemiologists and the like to discuss and offer opinions on his topics, so don't just take his word for it. Watch it and offer opinion.

Mind you, seeing as you are the only forum member to have been awarded the UK's covid congressional medal of honour for being able to correctly follow the floor arrows to your office and sit neatly at your PC, with a proper face fitted N95 face mask maybe you are the oracle you believe yourself to be

 

[tonys]

You have been told numerous times that Doctor John Campbell is actually a Dr. He is more of a Dr than a GP, who you would gladly take medical advice from. Dr John Campbell has a PhD and decades of experience in delivering medical education at universities, but yet, here you are again comparing him to nonentities and repeating the same old nonsense.

You also mention Katie Hopkins a lot. Are you a subscriber or maybe a Katie simp?

If you are brave enough, you might do well to watch some of Dr John Campbell's videos (real Dr by the way) and you will find he does not give his opinion on subjects. He only discusses and analyses published data from many sources, including the UK government, MHRA, ONS and foreign goverments and peer reviewed papers and so on.

What you will find is that often times, the published official data does not stack up. That doesn't make him a crank or a grifter. The truth is often somewhere in between.

He even has the audacity to invite many eminent professors, epidemiologists and the like to discuss and offer opinions on his topics, so don't just take his word for it. Watch it and offer opinion.

Mind you, seeing as you are the only forum member to have been awarded the UK's covid congressional medal of honour for being able to correctly follow the floor arrows to your office and sit neatly at your PC, with a proper face fitted N95 face mask maybe you are the oracle you believe yourself to be

Just had a quick look at wikipedia about him and he is basically a Dr of teaching and education with some biology thrown in(just taking what's there, no opinion from me). In there it says he started off ok but then went and threw out misinformation about covid.

 

[maschio]

Just had a quick look at wikipedia about him and he is basically a Dr of teaching and education with some biology thrown in(just taking what's there, no opinion from me). In there it says he started off ok but then went and threw out misinformation about covid.

He started off like most people and got his jabs as suggested. Unfortunately for him he got an adverse reaction to the covid jabs and started digging. He ended up a conspiracy theorist and a grifter due to the vaccine injury. Very sad.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

If you are brave enough, you might do well to watch some of Dr John Campbell's videos

I was probably watching them before you - he's a great big giant ass and anything coming out of his mouth I don't even take with a pinch of salt..

Katie Hopkins, why are you insulting me?
How do you turn my absolute dislike for her into one of being her simp? - you are weird

 

[maschio]

he's a great big giant ass and anything coming out of his mouth I don't even take with a pinch of salt..

Most, if not all that comes out of his mouth, is data provided by the NHS and other official government bodies

 

[Werewolf]

Most, if not all that comes out of his mouth, is data provided by the NHS and other official government bodies

The thing with that is, you can take the data and present it in ways that miss context or are very misrepresentative and some would say deliberately dishonest ways.

For example anti vaxx groups often make out that "vaccines contain mercury" because the vaccine lists "traces" of mercury. The Mercury if present at all (it has to be listed if it's ever at a measurable amount in the same way bleaches always say they kill "99.99% as if one germ can possibly be found after use they can't say 100% ) can be in such a small amount that you'd be exposed to it in far higher levels by having a bite of a tuna sandwich.
The same thing happened with low energy bulbs where people were getting upset that the bulbs had something like 3mg of mercury in them, and a warning about how to clean up that was basically a warning intended for if you had a lot of them break (far more than you'd ever see in a domestic setting, or most commercial ones*), and they made a huge thing about how dangerous they were because "mercury".

Or I could say "cases of mycardia went up in 2021" (or clotting) and blame it on vaccines, ignoring the fact that Covid caused it as a regular issue rather than a rare effect. Or how they will point to the list of potential side effects for the vaccine and say "see they knew it was unsafe", but ignore the list of side effects on pretty much every other medication**, or procedure (some of the "side effects" for the vaccine are basically side effects of any injection be it the covid vaccine, fluejab or virtually any vaccine, or even saline ").


*IIRC it was a warning that had to be on there in case of breakages in say a retail or warehouse enviroment involving hundreds of bulbs at once, or you were cleaning them up on a very regular basis.

**Seriously if you look at the "rare" and "very rare" known side effects on even over the counter meds some of them are potentially pretty nasty

 

[Sankari]

Oh dear.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786361311133360188

You have been told numerous times that Doctor John Campbell is actually a Dr. He is more of a Dr than a GP, who you would gladly take medical advice from. Dr John Campbell has a PhD and decades of experience in delivering medical education at universities, but yet, here you are again comparing him to nonentities and repeating the same old nonsense.

Campbell is not a medical doctor, has never been a medical doctor, and has no training as a medical doctor. He's a retired nursing educator. He is absolutely not 'more of a doctor than a GP', any regular GP would run rings around him.

He started off like most people and got his jabs as suggested. Unfortunately for him he got an adverse reaction to the covid jabs and started digging. He ended up a conspiracy theorist and a grifter due to the vaccine injury. Very sad.

He did not experience a vaccine injury. He's just lying about that to justify his grift.

 

[Jokester]

Whilst it’s still a notifiable disease in the U.K. nobody is reporting it here now either.

 

[UTT]

Got to say I never saw anything which listed "clotting" as one of symptoms of covid

Headache, flu like symptoms, fatigue etc but never mycardia