CPU overheating H110i at fault?

[N19h7m4r3]

I have a corsair H110i GT that's now idling my system in the high 60's at stock speeds and mid 80's when overclocked.

Specs are
i7 5820K4.3Ghz 1.25v Been running this since the system was built March 2015
Asus X99 Deluxe
Fury X mounted at the back of the chassis
Corsair 32GB RAM DDR4
Corsair H110i with two Noctua Industrial 2000rpm AF14s. Mounted on the top.
EVGA G2 1000W PSU

Well I recently noticed my system was running hotter than usual while rendering and encoding in Premiere Pro, at first I thought it was just the summer. We've been having a hotter than usual one in Ireland where I am,

Then my system started hitting the 90's, then mid 90's and then 104! Well over specs, and it used to max around 80's during long encoding and rendering times.

I took off the cpu block, as I thought something might have gone wrong there. Cleaned it off, applied new Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut using credit card technique/thermal grizzly spreader

Temps were still hot, so took it all apart again, and tried the X method. Still nothing.
I noticed a bit of a rattle from the CPU block after that installation as well, and I'm now running the CPU downclocked just to be able to post there.
It's currently idling in the high 60's, and so is the pump. The pump is apparently at 64 degrees as well, and also at ~3150RPMs. Although if I change the pump speed lower the temps skyrocket even more.

I've also tried loosing and tightening the CPU block down more to see if it was possibly a contact issue, but each time I took the block off the spread looked decent.

I take it I just need to replace the entire closed loop cooler to get this sorted? It also doesn't help I'm using the H440 chassis, although I was considering replacing it soon'ish with the Enthoo Luxe.

Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Before I say it's probably the pump failing'

How old is your H110?
When was the last time you cleaned the fins in radiator?​

I cleaned the radiator and fins less than a month ago when I installed the new Noctua fans, as one of my Corsair stock ones started to rattle.

I also clean out my system weekly, as I have cats.

I bought the CPU cooler late 2014 if I recall.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Well I just want to be able to run my CPU at 4.3Ghz without high temps when gaming or encoding videos in Premiere Pro.

I know my current case; the H440 is terrible for airflow, and it was always a bit of a hot box. I was looking into replacing that as well, and I just need room to adequately cool my Fury X as well.

The main reason I went for this setup was because I wanted cool and quiet, and my Corsair Dominator RAM heatsinks are really tall, which always looked like they'd be an issue on most CPU Air cooler.

I currently barely have clearance with my Fury X.

Got any suggestion for a chassis and cooler?

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I just shook the thing with all my pent up rage and installed it again. On the system now after 15 minutes at Stock speeds and voltage I'm idling at 45 degrees in Core Temp and 50 degrees in Corsair Link. A massive improvement; but still hotter than it use to be.

I use to get an average CPU temp of 48 in Firestrike Ultra at 4.3Ghz 1.2v, and it peaked at 69 degrees after an hour of encoding in Handbrake and Premiere Pro.

The pump itself is also at 44 degrees, it use to be much cooler than the CPU package.

Although when I started the system back up I heard a god awful LOUD "WHIR" coming from the pump. I tapped the pump a bit harder than expected and the awful sound stopped.

Although I can now hear the pump; there's still a little whir sound, but it doesn't sound like a small blender anymore. I was never able to even hear the pump with it at Performance mode ~3150RPM.

I really does look like the pump is going, either from wear and tear, or as mentioned it had a stuck particle or some trapped air in there; which has caused the motor to wear out.

My comparison my Fury X is idling at 31 degrees.

Either way it looks like I'll have to replace my H110i soon; as that annoying slight whir sound is there, and louder than the fans.

My main issue with large air coolers is the access to other parts. The Noctua NH d15 on my motherboard means it'll be impossible to remove my GPU without first removing the cooler. A massive pain to be sure, and the better AIO coolers like the EK 240 are extremely thick, making installation a hassle in most chassis.

For the first time in years I feel kinda lost as to what to get :/

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Mine failed in the same way, went back to air cooling. Far more reliable.

Issue is what is good enough to cool my system when overclocked and encoding without interfering with my GPU on the motherboard or the Fury X radiator.

My H440 chassis is also godawful at airflow, I like the look of it; but regret getting it when it came out now.

I was looking into getting the Enthoo Luxe as it looks far better for airflow, and has that massive 240mm fan up front.

Plus it can take decent rad, and my Fury X. Although what the airflow will be like than with just the bottom front fan; who knows.

Open to some suggestions though. I just need the chassis to be quiet, and cool, as it's just outside of arms reach on my desk. I doubt having direct sun on it for all of a working day from a 3m wide windows doesn't help temps either.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

The system is stable at 4.3Ghz at 1.2V so far, and I only ran Aida64 for 30 minutes to look at temps. Averages look meh, and those max peaks are terrible. Even my Fury X was getting close to 40 degrees while idle.

Taking off the front panel and dust filter for the h440 didn't help either.

During the entire test I could hear that whir from the pump. It doesn't look like it can push enough fluid anymore, despite running at ~3150RPM.

10 minutes after the AIDA64 test I'm now idling at max of 49 according to Core Temp and AIDA64; and I can still hear the pump.

Aida64 Stability test images

Spoiler

So now what to do. EK240 and Enthoo Luxe, or Noctua NH D15 ( which might have issues with my RAM and GPU )

If I opt for the Ek240 I'll have to mount it in the top and Fury X at the back, but that means the only cool air coming in is from the bottom front 240 case fan.
Doesn't seem too ideal for temps.

If I go for the Enthoo Luxe and NH d15 I'll have to put the Fury X rad up top, but AMD don't recommend it being horizontal apparently, and when I looked at images online it seems the CPU cooler will have to be removed if I want to remove my GPU.

Images of similar setup, but using H440.

Spoiler

Or would a chassis like the Corsair 750D Airflow be a better fit? I know wanting cool under heavy load and quiet at the same time is hard, but there must be something. Dust filters are also a must really, as I have cats, and already live in a dusty enough area; where I need to clean my system every weekend ideally.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Yeah, your case is not very good.

The Enthoo Luxe is very good, but the 200mm fan is not. Most users replace it with 2x PH-F140SP and all is good. The bottom filters can be easily modded so all come out the front for cleaning .. no case moving required.
Define R5 is also good and quiet .. and has bottom filter pack that slides out the front as well.

Enthoo Pro and Enthoo Evolv are nice too.
Nanoxia are quiet.

Get a white case.

I saw Joker Productions has the Enthoo Evolv with the EK 240 up front, and says his 6800K overclocked reaches around 70 degrees peak while encoding in in Premiere Pro. Although I'm not sure how cool the chassis will be inside with the rad pulling hot air through.

His system

I thought the chassis looked a little cramped myself, nearly like the H440.

Also I can't seem to find the Enthoo Pro, everywhere seems to have replaced it with the Luxe.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I think I would put it in the top as exhasust, not front as intake. And also block all holes not used by radiator in the radiator tray so none of the heated air coming out of radiator into top leaks back down into case.

Enthoo Pro is same case and both are same age.
Here's link to it on their website.
http://phanteks.com/Enthoo-Pro.html

Hmm Looking at this post I can see why Joker put his at the front of the system. Apparently with Asus X99 motherboards like ours the thick rad either doesn't fit up top, or if you make it fit it's putting quite a bit of pressure down on the motherboard power connectors.

https://www.reddit.com/r/watercooli...to_fit_an_ek_predator_into_a_phanteks_enthoo/

Also it looks like even if I manage to fit it up top it means there won't be space for my Fury X radiator at the back.

I wonder would it be possible to have the rad at the front but as an exhaust, and the fury x at the back as exhaust as well. Then have 3 120m NF F12's up top pushing cool air down into the system?
The extra 3 fans is quite the little extra premium though.

As much as I like the EK 240 it seems it's thick rad and pump/res combo which allows it to cool so well it also quite the hindrance to install.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Looking at the Enthoo Evolv some more, EK lists it as compatible on their site with the Ek 240, but that fit looks rough to say the least.
I might just barely be able to squeeze in my Fury X rad on the back there.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Image has a 25mm thick fan in back. How thick is your Fury X?

The Fury X rad+fan is 65m. If you scroll up to my current set up you can see the H110 just barely fits with it as well.

If there's enough clearance I could fit the EK and the FuryX.

Also going through the Phanteks forum it seems the Evolv isn't that great for exhausting hot air, even with 360 and 280 rad combo.

http://phanteks.com/forum/showthread.php?488-Evolv-ATX-Heat-Airflow-Issues

Seems the Luxe might be the better fit, but on EK's compatibility show it mounted in the front of the chassis as well. Seems the Luxe's top is too low down, hence that reditor having to cut the chassis, and get new M4 screws to mount it up top.

It seems to fit fine in the Enthoo Primo, with what looks like enough room for the Fury X.
Although the intakes at the front bottom aren't too far are they? The chassis is absolutely massive from the looks of it.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

This is a pain trying to get an EK 240 to fit in many chassis, and I do like the looks of the Enthoo Pro/Luxe a lot.

doyll what do you think of the NH d15 and the Luxe/Pro? I'd have to mount my Fury X in the top I think. Do you think that will be an issue?

I see on Noctua's compatibility site that the d15 will block my m.2 port, which means it'll be extending over my RAM, but I have Dominator RAM so now those might have clearance issues?

http://noctua.at/en/nh-d15.html?comp=1#socket_2769_manuf_30
I have the Asus X99 Deluxe

Or would something like the Dark Rock 3 with two fans on it, and my FuryX on the back still as exhaust work?

Edit: I found this video rather interesting, and it's tested in the awful H440 as well. But no huge GPU rad like the Fury X.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

So last night after going near nuts, I decided to order the Noctua NH D15 S with an extra NF A15 fan, and the Enthoo Luxe chassis.

Much better airflow than the H440, but I might have some issues mounting the Fury X someplace. Will have to see.

I've not ordered any extra fans, but if the chassis fans aren't up to task, I have the two NF A14 IPPC 2000RPM PWM fans I'm currently using on my rad to put in.

Hopefully it'll all be issue free and I can get on with things.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

She's alive! It only took me 5 hours to get here. So far so good, and a massive improvement in temps. I haven't even put the extra fan I got on the cooler yet.

Shame the cooler didn't arrive in the morning with my chassis, but it's all been installed now.

The before and after temps on idle alone are insane!

As for my Fury X, I put it in the top for now, so far it seems to be doing alright, but I'll see under load soon enough. The Optical drive cage might be an issue for airflow to it, but if it is I'll just pull it out.

Also as the Dodo that I am, I went and pulled both HDD cages out, and forgot I actually have an HDD to install for Premiere Pro project files. So sadly there's one cage in front of the 200mm in take fan now.

Now time for bed, I'll deal with the rest tomorrow, including peeling the plastic cover off the windows. Also running AIDA 64 to see if I need to install that second Noctua A15 fan, or change things around in the chassis; as right now at nearly 2 am it's far cooler than it it in the middle of the day with the sun beating down of the chassis.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Thanks doyll! I just ordered two of those 140s, and some cans of compressed air.

Who knows Phanteks made fans like that, it seems most people ignore them because they look so plane. Almost like normal cheap budget chassis fans.

That's Noctua specs at half the price.

Also about the Fan hub on my case, I'll keep using it, as sadly Asus skimped on PWM fan headers on my motherboard. Only the CPU and CPU Optional headers are PWM, with the rest all being DC.

Two of the headers being at the most awkward spot I've seen, right in between the top PCIe slot and rear RAM slots.

I should be able to plug the two new fans into the mobo as two headers are above and below the SATA ports.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

The PH-F140SP fans are not PWM fans, They are 3-pin variable voltage.

Yup I saw that as I ordered them so won't be much issue on the normal chassi fan headers.

Also, I haven't been this impressed by cooling since my old full custom water loop with 480 rads!

I'm only at stock 5820K speeds, but the temps under Aida 64 is astonishing!
Max temps seen are less than my idles were on my H110! I'm still only using the stock NF A15 fan as well, I don't think I even need the second fan now.

Thank you so much for all the help doyll!

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I'm sure temps will go up when you work the GPU too, especially now with the 200mm front fan. I often build a divider between CPU and GPU to keep GPU heated exhaust from mixing with CPU's cool intake air. A piece of cardboard from about 20mm in front of GPU to about middle of CPU from motherboard to side cover usually does the trick. Sometimes the front needs to be a little closer to front of case and/or angled down so front intake fan can supply CPU cooler properly. This basic case airflow guilde might be of interest. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26159770&postcount=7

Monitoring cooler intake air temp lets us know how much the air is warming up from case intake to cooler intake. 2-5c increase is nice, but it is often 10-20c .. even higher when gaming.

Oh my. Thanks!

I'll have to see my max load temps in Premiere Pro where both CPU and GPU will be underload, but thankfully the Fury X exhaust is going out the top front.

Temps are sure to rise, but even with a 10 degree increase it'll still be 10 degrees cooler than my H110i was in its prime. Although I'll certainly get a divider then, no point in the system running hotter when something simple can prevent it.

I'm sure the two new 140mm intake fans will help as well.

This is looking good and exactly what I needed to see as my H100i pump has failed a few days ago as well and ive just received my nh-d15 I ordered to replace it.
Now I just need to strip me pc again...

Now that I've been looking it seems a good number of folks all around the net are reporting their H110/H100is are having pump failure.

They really aren't made to last.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I keep forgetting your GPU is CLC cooled.
Keep that in mind as the months tick by ..
PS: There are a few good air cooler options for GPUs, but none that are designed to keep their heated exhaust from mixing with cool intake air.

Thankfully the Fury X is temporary until the new Vega flagship from AMD launches. After that the Fury X can become my father's problem when I put it in his solidworks machine
( He's been nagging me to upgrade his GTX 580 for a while now )

Although then I'll have to really worry about hot air mixing in. Usually AMD's reference exhaust coolers are terrible, and the open air blowers pump the entire chassis full of hot air.

I think I have a bit of a sweet spot at the moment, but will certainly be monitoring it more.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Alrighty, so I replaced the stock 200mm intake fan with two PH-F140SPs and I also have my other fans in the case now running ~30% slower.

Max peak temps under load are essentially the same despite all fans running a good deal slower. My Fury X pump is now quite noticeable.

My idle temps are 3-4 degrees warmer on the hottest cores, but it hardly matters. Max temps are great, and if I remove the overclock I drop down around 10 degrees at peak temps again.

Max temps with an overclock and extra voltage with new fans.

Max temps with the OC on old stock 200mm, but other 140mm fans running ~30% faster.

Edit: Here are real world temps while encoding a 4K 60fps video in Premiere Pro. My H110iGT with Noctua iPPC fans maxed around 69-72 degrees, and we all know how loud even Noctuas get at 1850RPM

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Just for curiosity's sake I decided to run my fans at my original profile, the as when I had the 200mm in.
The idle temps are to their normal amount, but at load there is a small difference. My two hottest cores are 1 degree cooler, with the rest being 3 degrees cooler on average.
One thing that's interesting is that the Fury X is 1 degree cooler as well with the two new fans. So even with it's radiator stuck above the optical bay the extra air flow is helping.

I think I'll lower the overall fan speeds again, there's barely an audible difference, maybe 1-2 dBa, but it's there.
Shame about the pump; and I hear you doyll. Now that my entire system is on average 10 dBa quieter at idle and much quieter under load I'm hearing all the little things now.

When my system boots up the first time now it sounds like a gush of wind through the room before it settles down.
Even then though, the old CLC sounded like a hornet's nest and rattle being chucked down a wind tunnel.

One other thing to note, is that my one cat has taken an extreme liking to my Enthoo Luxe. Especially lying down on the top mesh filter, which causes the Fury X fan to really ramp up to try and keep it cool.
Going to have to deter them from going near it.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I often get told I'm too harsh on CLC peeps when they say their systems are 'quiet', or worse say they are 'dead silent'.
Granted, in optimum conditions a CLC may only be 5db louder than air, but a 35db sound in a room at 30db that we are used to our ears really notice the difference .. it sounds like much more than just 5db difference.

We have 2x TY-150 fans positioned in our bedroom to circulate air at night. They are about 8-9 feet way from our heads and it takes a couple of nights of running when really warm weather starts to get used to them. They are only 34dB @ 1 meter in a 30dB room. 34dB at 1 meter is about 27dB at 2.5 meter, but it changes the room's sound profile.

Oh certainly!

Under AIDA 64 my entire sytem can be heard ramping up a bit; and despite the F14SP's being rated at 19dBa I find them quite loud at max RPMs. Mostly due to the font intake mesh restricting air flow.

The worst offender under load has to be the Fury X, I have a rather aggressive fan profile on it to keep it around 60 degrees, and while the Gentle Typhoon fan on it is rather quiet; it does have a higher pitched sound than the rest of the fans.

So once it reaches anything over 40% fan speed you can really hear it. Mix that with the pump noise and it's rather noticeable from my chair.
I recently had a driver bug where the fan got pegged at 100% ~3000RPM and even then it was quieter than my old CLC's stock fans.
Main issue there is that extremely high pitch it emits then.


I find it very hard to believe some people when they say their systems are dead silent though. Often times people get conditioned to the noise, and forget it's there. I'm a prime example of that, I considered my old system was quiet at idle.

I have a friend that would consider my current system loud, where as I consider it just audible; I am sitting almost right next to it however.